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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so I was wondering

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the other day when I was sucking the

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great bishop on last week's para cast

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I wondered why have I never invited Ryan

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Sprague to the show and he said invite

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him and I looked into my copy of

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facebook Messenger and there was a

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letter you wrote to me Ryan

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back about ten years ago or eight years

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ago that I never answered for some

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reason was I being rude oh my gosh

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that's that's crazy what if what did it

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say I haven't looked back in my history

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that much was I a young naive researcher

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at that time still I understand

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that's a good question let's look at the

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letter okay this goes back to don'ti

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criminate me here

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it's February 25th 2010 wow that's a

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blast in the past it's about a play oh

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well there you go that's kind of how I

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got involved in all this so I'm sure we

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can we can get to that story to say the

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least I'm sure we can get into that okay

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how does a playwright become a chef Oh

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researcher author of the UFO book etc

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yes I mean it all sort of started with a

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UFO sighting I had at age 12 that was my

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origin story if you will this was in

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upstate New York on the border of Canada

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and New York the off the st. Lawrence

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River I had a triangular UFO sighting

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when I was fishing off the dock at night

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that was kind of what I did at the time

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I I was more of a loner I I loved to

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fish and I was on a weekend getaway with

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my parents and I I saw a triangular UFO

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no no machinery no structure but just

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three white lights in a formation you

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know prototypical red light in the

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middle coasting over the water

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it terrified me gene I I didn't know

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what the hell it was what the heck it

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was I was 12 years old and you know I

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became obsessed after that I had

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nightmares about it I started taking out

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books on UFOs and I kind of put it in

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the back of my mind for for a long time

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you know school took over girls took

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over life took over man and I gotten

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involved in theater when I was in high

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school and then going into college and I

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did some acting in my time but

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playwriting was where my heart was and

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one of the first plays that I really

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started to work on post college was

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about the Rendlesham forest incident and

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that's when I I got hooked up with Peter

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Robbins the investigator one of the only

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ones that really knew on the East Coast

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specifically in the New York area and we

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started to meet once a month at a diner

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in midtown Manhattan and the rest is

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sort of history

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out of curiosity which diner that would

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be the the galaxy diner appropriately

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titled right on I believe it was ninth

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Avenue and 46th Street I want to say I'm

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sure you're familiar with the area yeah

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they have diners in that area it's funny

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when I was working in the 60s at saucer

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News with Jim Mosely he had a small

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office at 303 Fifth Avenue I can't say

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it was a diner but there was a

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restaurant right across the street and

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because it was across the street and for

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no other reason and Jim had very modest

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tastes and food he ate the same thing

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every day we'd have lunch there like

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3:00 4:00 in the afternoon

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it sounds strikingly familiar to what

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Peter and I would do you know just same

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thing every time we'd catch up on the

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latest you know happenings in the UFO

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field and he kind of ushered me into all

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of this told me who to look out for who

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to follow what to read and it was great

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it really was an obi-wan Luke Skywalker

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introduction into this crazy crazy field

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we're all involved in it and as a young

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naive person with all of it I think I

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couldn't have chosen a better person to

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kind of

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bring me into all of this so that's kind

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of how I got started and I was working

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specifically with Peter and his

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co-author Larry Warren very

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controversial figure right now with the

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whole Rendlesham incident on a stage

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play about their ten-year journey in

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writing lefted he skates their their

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best-selling British book on on the

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Rendlesham incident uh you know

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obviously that play has taken taken a

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little turn as of the recent findings

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about mr. Warren but it didn't stop me

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from working with Peter and to continue

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work in trying to mix my passions of

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UFOs and and playwriting so I'm still

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working on other plays in that Avenue in

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that realm and it's only begun in terms

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of that and remember Peters words to you

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reviewed so often use the force right

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and yes he is my obi-wan III I look

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forward to every meeting with him and I

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can't wait to get back east to continue

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our lunches at the galaxy diner what did

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you learn do you think from the so

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called meltdown of Larry Warren that we

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learned that he was and what we had

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expected him to be and certainly how

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that affects uh how that affects Peter

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Robbins as a co-author of a book with

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him well I mean it's interesting gene

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because when I first approached both to

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them about doing this stage play they

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were both very very thumbs up really

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ready to go with it but uh you know I

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kind of noticed throughout my time

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working with Larry that he was he was a

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little unstable uh you know one day he'd

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say yeah let's do it the next it was if

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you do this I'm gonna sue you and and so

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on and so on so you know I have no

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personal you know vindictive motives

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when it comes to Larry Warren it was

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just a very kind of toxic relationship

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in terms of my creative process with him

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so I kind of put him to the side and

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really focused on writing this play

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through the eyes through the lens of

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Peter Robbins the investigator and you

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know as time went on I did notice that

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larry was being you know less than

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truthful with a lot of how he was

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involved with this case

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that kind of ended my working

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relationship with Larry I I continued it

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with Peter but the play is on the shelf

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as we speak because you know where do

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you go from there when when your

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co-author in all of this has been lying

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India for 25 some odd 30 years so you

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know I I'm I'm bummed and I'm

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disappointed in the way things have

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turned out but that's kind of what this

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field has always been you know things

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come to the surface many many years

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later and you regret some choices but my

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big choice of working with Peter Robbins

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hasn't changed and you know I'm gonna be

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having him on my show in the coming

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weeks so you know I remain hopeful that

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there's still more to Peter Robbins than

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this Rendlesham account there always has

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been and I look forward to to continue

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working with him on other things so yeah

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that's where it stands right now yeah

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gene you actually asked pretty much the

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question I was gonna ask so Ryan what is

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what does Peter think Lawry's kind of

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position and the whole Rendlesham thing

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is now is he like completely out of the

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picture or is it definitely you know for

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sure that he was there on those nights

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or night and you know is there a degree

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to which you know his story may have

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been fabricated embellished or whatever

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that is that a core truth or is he a

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complete charlatan what what's the

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thinking as far as I can tell gags I

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mean you know peter has been more open

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about it you know over a few whiskey's

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in New York City but I believe and he

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believes that Larry was there on the

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base but that the involvement he had was

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extremely exaggerated now we've heard

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many times that Larry took the story of

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several other officers that night and

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kind of manipulated and molded it into

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his own sort of story because these

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officers did not want to come forward

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now you know maybe that's commendable in

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some ways to at least get the

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information out there but I think as

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time progressed and Larry got more and

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more deeply

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betted in into this whole thing as the

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original whistleblower as it were that

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he almost started to believe his own

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manipulation of the story so that's kind

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of where I think Peter stands with this

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you know there are small truths hidden

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within some big lies with all of it now

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specifically I cannot tell you how

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directly involved Larry was but but

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Peter has said it many many times before

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in when all of this has come forward

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that he he was lied to and where do you

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go from there I don't know

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now I want to ask you something else

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about Peter Robbins and we'll do that in

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our next segment when Sprague joins us

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God's Makai as you heard is our co-host

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cast in addition to of course to the

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left of the skate book was the fact that

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he had worked closely with but Hopkins

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on UFO abductions what's your position

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on abduction is Ryan half my book Jean

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was dedicated to the abduction

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phenomenon specifically people that I

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spoke to you personally

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face-to-face know in terms of the

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abduction phenomenon I can't tell you

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where I definitively stand on all of it

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you know I've heard so many interesting

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stories from Peter about his work with

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Budd being his personal assistant

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through many of the more famous cases

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that bud worked on you know the Linda

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Cortile one coming to mind and many many

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others in terms of a physical reality to

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the abduction phenomenon I'm still very

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up in the air even having spoken to many

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people who claimed abduction experiences

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I don't know what what I find most

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interesting is that a lot of these

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people they don't claim that they were

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abducted by aliens they've come to me

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they've come to many other researchers

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and said listen I had this weird

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experience where I remember seeing

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beings that were not human and then next

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thing I know I'm aboard some craft or

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I'm somewhere outside of my own

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surroundings and I'm being experimented

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on this is really interesting to me

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because I'm finding more and more with

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the abduction phenomenon that it isn't

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the et hypothesis that is directly

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taking over they're not saying I was

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abducted by aliens they're saying I had

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some weird stuff go on and I cannot

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explain that so I firmly believe that

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men

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these people believe something happened

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to them now whether or not it has

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happened in the physical reality I can't

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tell you and that may come off as a very

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passive answer but I'm still searching

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I'm still searching for answers when it

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comes to the abduction phenomenon and

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the more and more people I interview

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about it the more skeptical I become but

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also the more hopeful I am that there is

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some core phenomenon to this well I

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think the one thing that interested me

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was when red pill junky did this

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newsletter for the para cast and it's

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something he's written about elsewhere

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where he related and compared near-death

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experiences with abductions and E's have

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always been a big part of this yes you

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often hear about having this out-of-body

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experience looking down at yourself one

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gentleman I spoke to specifically

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mention that to me that after seeing of

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being in his room he felt that he was

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somehow outside he could feel the air

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outside could hear you know the wind

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blowing and he was looking down on

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himself this was then subsequently part

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of an abduction experience so I do agree

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with Miguel on a lot of what he brings

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up when it comes to end E's in the

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abduction phenomenon I do not think that

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takes away any of the mystery behind it

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or the excitement about what it could

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possibly be it just adds to that whole

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high strangeness of it all this is one

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of the arguments we often make with

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regard to the possible origin of UFOs

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and we've had a pretty active debate in

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our forums and that's must we accept et

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or look into other possibilities of

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things are going on that we just don't

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understand and we find it easy to as if

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it's easy easy to say okay that's et

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because of on the surface the phenomenon

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at least with UFOs appears to be

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something that's solid metallic and it

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flies rings around our own craft

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therefore it's got to be et but beyond

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that we have all this other stuff going

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on that isn't so readily explained

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absolutely I mean it's it's one answer

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to all of this and one that we haven't

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have definitive proof on in over 70

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years now I mean I'm not against the et

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hypothesis by any means you know I was

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also involved

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the UFO is reframing the debate book

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where along with Greg Bishop been a few

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others we postulate other possibilities

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for all of this

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you know is the co-creation hypothesis a

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part of this

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I am avidly consuming everything that

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Bishop is talking about with this

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meeting with them talking about it about

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you know what else could this be do we

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have some control over what we're seeing

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in the skies are we creating it along

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with the phenomenon extremely

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fascinating and I think a lot of the

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younger researchers out there are

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looking more into this because we don't

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see any answers coming forward with nuts

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and bolts ufology or even the hypothesis

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of what it could be science hasn't

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proven to us yet what these things are

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so we're gonna look at it another way

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and work with science on that as well so

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it's a big mixed bag gentlemen and I

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know you know it's frustrating that we

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can't come to some conclusion but you

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know as a younger researcher I'm still

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out there trying to just get some new

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ideas and new questions you briefly

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mentioned the sighting that occurred

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when you were 12 years old can you

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expand upon it a little bit so this

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happened in 1995 I was 12 years old I

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was on weekend getaway and like I had

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mentioned earlier I was fishing off of a

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dock and I saw three white lights in the

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reflection of the water you know

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naturally I look up and it's just

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hanging silently over my head this

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triangular formation of lights with the

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red light in the middle very

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prototypical very 90s a lot of these

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things were sighted around that time I

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could feel a vibration through my body

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gene I I don't know if that was because

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I was scared if there was adrenaline but

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it was extremely interesting it had some

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sort of physiological effect on me and

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it just started to coast over the water

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towards Canada off the st. Lawrence

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River I yelled for my father to come out

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and see this he's inside watching a

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Yankees game definitely don't stop a New

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Yorker from watching the Yankees game

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absolutely unless you're a Mets fan like

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I am

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you see I grew up in Brooklyn when we

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had the Brooklyn Dodgers before they

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went over to you to make money okay now

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what I did then is when I saw the

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Brooklyn Dodgers leave I wasn't

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interested in baseball I realized it was

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for profit I always thought the Mets

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were a poor version of the Brooklyn

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Dodgers you couldn't have the Dodgers

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let's just have the Mets and that's not

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an insult to the Mets but that's kind of

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how the history started not much has

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changed unfortunately my father

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eventually did come outside he saw the

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tail end of this thing coasts over the

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water towards Canada and you know right

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where the water meets the sky we saw it

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disappear now whether it just

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disappeared out of sight or actually

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submerged into the water is an image

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I'll never forget and that's stuck with

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me and like I said I took out book after

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book after that on UFOs I started

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joining the forums and when America

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Online was booming at the time oh yeah

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America Online was one of the early

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forum leaders I was gene on AOL and you

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know I'm sure we cross paths at some

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point gene I'm sure we did and I just

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became obsessed after that went down the

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rabbit hole and have been investigating

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and researching ever since now I assume

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you started out with

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ETH at that time right oh absolutely I

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mean it was all about the Grays at that

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point for me because it's all I was sort

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of shown in the literature and you know

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the more I looked into it the more I

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realized wait a minute

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you know if this is the only answer to

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it all why haven't we gotten more

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evidence why why are some people seeing

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Nordics while some are seeing reptilians

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why some are seeing greys and that's

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when I kind of started really really

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thinking maybe there's more to this

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we've got more to come with Ryan spray

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also wanted to be an actor and my

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response after hearing him say the power

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cast is no I don't want to do that I

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because we all need a day job but I'm

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being silly okay talking about the

636
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conversion here from ETH - wait a minute

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there's more going on here especially

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when you as you say you see different

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kinds of space people alleged space

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people and Stanton Friedman would

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probably say well you know this is a

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watering hole for et they just love to

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come down here and look at the silly

644
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Earthlings doing their silly things and

645
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the problem with that is here is really

646
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do you really think that people see

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different creatures because they're

648
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different or because they are

649
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contributing to what they see and if

650
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Aaron's and Nordics are hoping for

651
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Nordics else a Nordics if they've read

652
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the cultural images that came from such

653
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books as communion it's going to be

654
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graves and maybe they see insecticides

655
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because they saw Independence Day and

656
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they had gigantic locusts it's a very

657
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:21,389
good point Jean I mean I you know it

658
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really is the lens in which you view the

659
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phenomenon and that's something Greg and

660
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I have talked about on many occasions is

661
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it really does depend on what you're

662
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influenced by elves some people take it

663
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as a spiritual event some take it as a a

664
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paranormal event while others believe it

665
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was some sort of alien that have you

666
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know shown themselves to you or taken

667
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you out of your room at night it's

668
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fascinating gods why don't you pick up

669
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on anything yeah you know had a question

670
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my head a second ago let's see if it

671
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came back to me it's just great went

672
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there and yeah the I've always been

673
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interested by this point about how many

674
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people who are witnessed to you know

675
00:29:08,749 --> 00:29:06,509
good UFO sightings if that's an okay way

676
00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:08,759
to describe it a bit like your own Ryan

677
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is that they

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they almost feel like they were meant to

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see it let that may be the object of

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something almost they feel that it knows

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they are looking and it knows there it

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you know that you know that they know

683
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kind of thing that their deafness you I

684
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don't think all UFO sightings I like

685
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we're certainly kind of closeup wonder

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where maybe when people are by

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themselves at the time and I'll only

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kind of field or something but that

689
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that's always interested me and that

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that could go for whether whether it is

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just you know aliens from from another

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planet or it's a stranger reason you

693
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know II it could work with either you

694
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know there's some paranormal force or

695
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there is actually just like a gray alien

696
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or something and they are deliberately

697
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showing themselves to certain people at

698
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certain times for what reason we don't

699
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know did you ever get a feeling without

700
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that you were you were meant you were

701
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shown that triangle that is a wonderful

702
00:30:12,379 --> 00:30:10,409
question gosh I I do I do believe there

703
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was an aspect to it that begged to be

704
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seen I mean it was massive it was low it

705
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was silent it wanted to gauge reaction

706
00:30:22,999 --> 00:30:20,220
out of me I really do feel that you know

707
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:23,009
I other people probably saw it but in

708
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that moment you know man it was just me

709
00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:27,720
experiencing this and I think that's an

710
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extremely personal event and I'm going

711
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to take it the way I perceived it where

712
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someone else probably witnessed

713
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something else but you know there's an

714
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there's another prevalent case that I

715
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:40,620
looked into in the book about a

716
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:43,590
gentleman in 1974 who saw a triangular

717
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:46,110
boomerang craft over a drive-in movie

718
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:46,620
theater

719
00:30:50,509 --> 00:30:48,779
hundreds of people saw this thing it

720
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shuts down the electricity at the

721
00:30:56,869 --> 00:30:53,490
drive-in and just coasts over and no one

722
00:31:00,139 --> 00:30:56,879
reacts Coggs nobody they didn't me

723
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,149
nothing was this part of the book yeah I

724
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,159
read the book by high-neck it was there

725
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:05,159
the Great Hudson Valley UFO wave or

726
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:06,870
something like I I maybe I maybe have

727
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:08,970
the title wrong but it it's about the I

728
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,820
think it was in the early 80s mostly but

729
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,500
a lot of these triangular sightings were

730
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,840
in the Hudson Valley is this roughly the

731
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:17,340
region where you had your sighting

732
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,370
yes my sighting was not too far from

733
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:21,840
Hudson Valley that's a little bit more

734
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:23,910
upstate of New York City

735
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:26,910
even further north towards the border of

736
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,640
Canada but yes within the same New York

737
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:31,740
region New York I suggest huge stayed as

738
00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:34,800
Jean knows but yeah this was during the

739
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,040
time period and in somewhat proximity of

740
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:40,320
the Hudson Valley in terms of it being

741
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:43,410
in New York now you know in relation to

742
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:44,910
this case that I'm speaking about the

743
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:46,770
drive-in theater this was in Ohio and

744
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:50,700
you know predated the 90s sightings by a

745
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:53,580
lot which I find very fascinating as

746
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:55,170
well these triangles and boomerangs were

747
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,890
seeing far more you know before the

748
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,480
whole black triangle thing was even

749
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:04,080
booming and this guy saw this hundreds

750
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:05,880
of people saw this they did not react

751
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:07,950
and they did not remember it happening

752
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:10,050
this guy had a trigger event many years

753
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,690
later after seeing a UFO book by Hynek

754
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:15,360
and and that's what triggered this

755
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:17,850
memory back into his mind about what had

756
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:20,670
happened and I do think a lot of these

757
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,550
sightings whatever lay the source of it

758
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,740
wants a reaction out of us wants to see

759
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:28,740
how we gauge it how we interpret it and

760
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,900
what we take from that and that's kind

761
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:33,840
of my big thing is that human aspect to

762
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,750
all of this so it's fascinating man that

763
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:39,240
idea of them wanting to be seen and I

764
00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:40,620
think that's more prevalent now look at

765
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:42,630
Phoenix lights look at Chicago O'Hare

766
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:44,850
look at what happened in Texas these

767
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:46,920
things want to be seen and that's

768
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:49,800
extremely intriguing to me they're

769
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:52,830
aching for an audience I think so this

770
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:54,540
could be one of the biggest performance

771
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:57,210
art pieces of all time guys and that's

772
00:33:00,860 --> 00:32:58,710
kind of what I'm looking at Greg Bishop

773
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:00,870
and I talk all the time about this could

774
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,940
be one of the biggest art projects we've

775
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:05,340
ever seen on this little blue planet of

776
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:07,800
ours but so he is here and you're

777
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:13,110
auditioning to become actors yes in the

778
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:16,110
greatest cosmic television series of all

779
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:18,330
time if that's the case I want in guys

780
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,340
let get me in there like dynasty yep

781
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:28,620
exactly exactly with a cliffhanger at

782
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,070
every at every moment so in frog dynasty

783
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:34,860
dynasty didn't they have the one of the

784
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:38,250
main characters abducted by a you

785
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:41,730
for at the end of the whole thing the

786
00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:44,490
whole show of the last season it was a

787
00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:47,430
really really wacky kind of episode it'd

788
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:49,680
been a straight up you know dynasty was

789
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:53,570
this kind of a rival to Dallas on damn

790
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,000
it just went completely left field right

791
00:34:01,670 --> 00:33:59,100
at the end one of the younger female

792
00:34:04,010 --> 00:34:01,680
characters main character though she

793
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:04,020
gets abducted into a UF or something you

794
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:05,910
remember that Jeanie aware of that I

795
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:08,310
never watched that show but I am aware

796
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:10,350
of the phenomenon called jumping the

797
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:14,790
shark because when the Fonz jumped the

798
00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:17,700
shark on happy days jumped across a

799
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:18,389
shark

800
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:20,340
you knew then they'd run out of

801
00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:23,720
creativity and that's the buzz phrase

802
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:27,360
for shows that have passed their

803
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:30,679
creative Peaks eight in their creative

804
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:33,419
creativity is gone they're just doing it

805
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,730
for the money it's like you know how

806
00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:38,159
many years can you do a TV show they

807
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:41,429
have shows like now law and order SVU is

808
00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:44,610
going into 20 years what how can you do

809
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:46,470
a show for 20 years it's what 500

810
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:48,389
episodes how do you do that that is

811
00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:50,850
preposterous earlier you see Bette in

812
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the UK it makes sense they have a series

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which is a season where any seasons

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could be like 10 to 13 episodes and

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that's it and maybe they'll run a couple

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of seasons and then they go and do

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something else of course you have Doctor

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Who but that's a special case in the

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u.s. it is excess you keep it going no

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matter what you have twenty or two or

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twenty three episodes of a season and

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some of those are filler episodes or

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flashbacks because how can you make 22

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or 23 43 min and films every year can't

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do it agree gene and I mean I will you

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know I am a self-appointed an admitted

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x-file with a pH I love the show it is

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it hits every mark that I love about

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television and the paranormal but I'll

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tell you right now man they ran that

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thing into the ground and holy hell just

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go away already Chris Carter come away

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so you didn't like the reboot

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I've liked season 11 the most recent

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season I thought there were some

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writing but there is literally no story

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left to tell when it comes to two these

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they are not giving a fair shake - to

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miss Dana Scully and I won't go any

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further than that other than I think

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Chris Carter needs to needs to really

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accept that you know this is the end of

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the truth is no longer out there it's

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here we've got more to come Ryan Sprague

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dogs does those ours it's really habit

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they're gargling you see the way he does

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it you see most people just say it you

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know it's a rotten show no it's not

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writing the show but I it's a good word

966
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to use dogs what he does he doesn't just

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do it naturally he uses Listerine that's

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what it is I knew it I knew you had some

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trick go to keep bacteria don't I just F

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once but I didn't turn out so well

971
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trying to get drunk that too I have a

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container of water here and I thought

973
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you know what here's what I'm gonna do

974
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:09,610
I'm going to pretend I'm gargling

975
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instead pretend I will gargle for Rio

976
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and I thought you know that'd be a cheap

977
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stunt I mean last week when we did our

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show with Greg Bishop we played a song

979
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called flying saucer from 1951 by Mel

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Blanc that's the song where his wife is

981
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throwing saucers at him yep the et

982
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hypothesis has been replaced by domestic

983
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abuse love it and instead of the man of

984
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a thousand voices it's the man of a

985
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thousand phenomena exactly so that's how

986
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:50,480
it works so last week if you ever wanted

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to hear more music on this show than

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00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:54,530
just our theme songs on our bumper music

989
00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:56,900
last week we featured Mel Blanc

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00:43:01,840 --> 00:42:58,520
now one song I wanted to play but I

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really can't do it legally is the young

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00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:04,250
lady who plays Supergirl on TV Melissa

993
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Benoist

994
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:08,630
she is playing Carole King on Broadway

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in beautiful and they've got this minute

996
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and 40 seconds segment from playbill

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magazine where she's singing just her in

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the piano and the voice is like she's

999
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:22,380
got great singing

1000
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:23,700
voice but here she sounds almost

1001
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identical to Carole King singing so far

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00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,150
away yeah you know she's got an

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incredible talent she does and what a

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wonderful show for her to be and you

1005
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:36,210
know I Bart ended at that show for a

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short amount of time and it's not easy

1007
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,000
so when you know we always worry when

1008
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:44,220
these TV and film actors come into the

1009
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:46,950
Broadway world you know can they do it

1010
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:48,570
can they keep up with it eight times a

1011
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,730
week in front of a live audience but

1012
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:52,650
it's good to hear she's doing it and I

1013
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:54,710
know you know we've seen with flash and

1014
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:57,300
you know the other shows that they love

1015
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,190
doing musical numbers and musical

1016
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:01,800
episodes so they all have the talent and

1017
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,630
it's good to see it shine every now and

1018
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:05,460
again so that's great to hear that she's

1019
00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:08,340
doing it by the way those of you who are

1020
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,840
interested we're gonna get another stuff

1021
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:11,040
for those of you who are interested

1022
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:12,540
there's a show you can probably see on

1023
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:15,540
Netflix now of the flash called duets

1024
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:19,770
we're both Grant Gustin who dances a lot

1025
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:21,810
like Dick Van Dyke by that way that has

1026
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,500
that lean tall look and Melissa Benoist

1027
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:28,380
sing and at the end of the show grant

1028
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:30,590
sing is a wonderful version of a song

1029
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:35,220
written by the two songwriters from lala

1030
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:39,960
land yes who also wrote a Tony winning

1031
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,750
musical this past year in New York so

1032
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:44,220
they're killing it it's good to see

1033
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:46,110
everyone working together on some

1034
00:44:51,590 --> 00:44:49,020
incredible theater in New York City for

1035
00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:51,600
sure I can't wait to get back there well

1036
00:44:55,090 --> 00:44:53,340
again to fit her later but that's just

1037
00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:55,100
as far as we go with the pop culture

1038
00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:58,670
except for how does pop culture

1039
00:45:03,830 --> 00:45:01,410
influence UFOs I mean of course we have

1040
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,840
the influence of the Day the Earth Stood

1041
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:06,060
Still not the horrible version with

1042
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:08,490
Keanu Reeves the original with Michael

1043
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Rennie where Michael Rennie with a

1044
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silvery uniform with the short hair if

1045
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you give him long hair he's orth on the

1046
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person that George Adamski met if you

1047
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,980
look at the saucer that left earth at

1048
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:25,200
the end of movie where you see the

1049
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,430
saucer lights up and takes off you know

1050
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:31,560
primitive special effects look at the

1051
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:34,230
photo of a UFO or a painting of UFO from

1052
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:35,820
Howard Menzer

1053
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,700
right yeah it's it's interesting i-i've

1054
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,140
looked a lot into this you know working

1055
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,200
with Robbie grin on the reframing book

1056
00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:45,540
and interviewing them several times is

1057
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:48,360
this juxtaposition of what came first

1058
00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:50,130
the chicken or the egg when it comes to

1059
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:52,350
all these and you know Day the Earth

1060
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:54,210
Stood Still one of my all-time favorite

1061
00:45:59,960 --> 00:45:57,290
movies as well gene you do see

1062
00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:59,970
influences around that time within the

1063
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:02,910
actual contactee movement and you know

1064
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:06,060
they even pre-contact a movement with

1065
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:09,660
you know Cold War tensions and anxieties

1066
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:12,570
and the be sci-fi movies coming around

1067
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,420
and and what did come first on either

1068
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:18,240
end of the spectrum so I've always found

1069
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,930
that cultural side of all this extremely

1070
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,800
fascinating you know how much does

1071
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:25,680
Hollywood influence the phenomenon and

1072
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:28,470
in turn how how much does the phenomenon

1073
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:31,980
influence you know Hollywood it's it's

1074
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:34,590
fascinating to me and we've seen so many

1075
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:37,340
times when this has happened even with

1076
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,320
people being involved with projects we

1077
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:43,440
know that there were investigators and

1078
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:46,680
FBI agents working with the x-files on

1079
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,510
their paranormal cases and saying yeah

1080
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,760
this is how it went this is what we did

1081
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:52,700
or you look at Independence Day how

1082
00:46:58,460 --> 00:46:55,500
members of the intelligence agencies

1083
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:58,470
were trying to stamp down the

1084
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,270
information Independence Day was using

1085
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:03,060
with area 51 it's it's very interesting

1086
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:08,940
and I I I look forward to to what comes

1087
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,330
next in terms of all that so yeah when

1088
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:14,160
we look at Independence Day it's just a

1089
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:16,680
popcorn movie with cultural references

1090
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:20,310
but you're saying that the military

1091
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:23,670
objected to using the area 51 reference

1092
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,890
the CIA think it was

1093
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:29,040
yes exactly GOG stay you know they

1094
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:30,210
didn't like how it was being portrayed

1095
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,630
am I correct yeah yeah cuz they were

1096
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:36,240
approached for some help in the movie or

1097
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:37,710
something and they said something like

1098
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,660
right well we'll help you but only if

1099
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:42,180
you don't mention nearly or 51 by name

1100
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,460
or something and just a crazy thought

1101
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,500
just popped into my head I think this

1102
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:48,780
would be a fantastic idea if Steven

1103
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,370
Spielberg

1104
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:51,680
was to do a sequel to Close Encounters

1105
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,560
of the Third Kind that would be a movie

1106
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:56,540
I'd go and see I'd love to do I'd love

1107
00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:58,730
to see Spielberg just make a straight up

1108
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:01,730
UFO movie and maybe a sequel to Close

1109
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:03,830
Encounters be great maybe like the main

1110
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,650
guy goes away and he comes back in five

1111
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:09,130
years with a lot of sorrow type stories

1112
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:11,450
exactly I was just gonna say we got to

1113
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:13,400
get it back and hear what he actually

1114
00:48:17,350 --> 00:48:15,530
saw all right right the biggest

1115
00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:17,360
influence probably the serpo story is

1116
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:19,400
Close Encounters the only problem is of

1117
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:21,260
course is Richard Dreyfuss is now 300

1118
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:23,570
years old so you can't bring him back

1119
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:25,880
you'd have to have a new actor with a

1120
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:29,840
similar presentation to replace him five

1121
00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:33,530
years later warm AIG comes back which is

1122
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:35,990
more interesting he comes back 50 years

1123
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:41,810
later and he hasn't aged exactly one of

1124
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:43,580
my favorite television shows was

1125
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,370
short-lived the 4400 where people were

1126
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,800
taken throughout time and brought back

1127
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:51,200
at a certain time period and a certain

1128
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:53,120
location and none of them of age today

1129
00:48:57,250 --> 00:48:55,250
and a lot of people think that's what

1130
00:48:58,990 --> 00:48:57,260
happened to mr. Travis Walton as well

1131
00:49:01,540 --> 00:48:59,000
you look at the dude and he hasn't aged

1132
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:01,550
since his incident it's it's pretty

1133
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:05,180
interesting if you ask me yes the 4400

1134
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:07,880
I'm gonna look now and see who was on

1135
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:11,990
the show Joel Gretch who did a lot of TV

1136
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:15,350
after that and let's see who else okay

1137
00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:19,160
we have Joel Gretch and maja shala

1138
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,120
Allie who is his real name is you can't

1139
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:26,720
pronounce except he appeared on house of

1140
00:49:31,090 --> 00:49:27,110
cards

1141
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:31,100
and he also won an Oscar for Best

1142
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:33,740
Supporting Actor he's an amazing actor

1143
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,830
and it's mashallah Ellie is his

1144
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Americanized name but his real name his

1145
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:41,410
Muslim name is like impossible to say

1146
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:44,060
Tippi Hedren of course we remember her

1147
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:47,480
from the birds right Peter Coyote was in

1148
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:50,030
there and most of the other people I am

1149
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:53,540
not familiar with a lot of Canadian

1150
00:50:02,070 --> 00:49:56,290
actors from what I can gather but oh

1151
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:02,080
okay some urgh well from Firefly mm-hmm

1152
00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:05,410
she hasn't been around lately she hasn't

1153
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:08,080
done much since then yeah but just a

1154
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,110
great show and again just one of those

1155
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:12,640
mysterious incidents where people show

1156
00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:14,170
up out of nowhere and then trying to

1157
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:18,040
unravel why who the what the where I

1158
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,050
definitely suggest people check it out

1159
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,000
again it was only three seasons I

1160
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,160
believe but definitely worth your time

1161
00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:27,430
if you're looking for a good sci-fi mind

1162
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:31,360
pondering thing why are we keep doing

1163
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:36,370
this we're back into pop culture but you

1164
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:38,680
see I don't think they'd be much of a

1165
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:40,330
UFO mystery in the way we see it today

1166
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:42,700
without the pop culture it's so heavily

1167
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:44,470
influences it that you can't really walk

1168
00:50:49,050 --> 00:50:47,170
away from it I'd have to agree and you

1169
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:49,060
know for younger researchers at their

1170
00:50:55,110 --> 00:50:51,820
pop culture is sort of our thing it's

1171
00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:55,120
what we we thrive on and you know you

1172
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,070
look at something like the recent Tom

1173
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:00,400
DeLonge endeavors and that's deeply

1174
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:03,480
embedding the UFO topic into pop culture

1175
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,430
so that's a whole other rabbit or we

1176
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:09,520
could go down we'll go into rabbit holes

1177
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:12,670
and we will find out what's is to be

1178
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:16,510
found under that rapid hole within it

1179
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:19,720
and without it that's a song for forget

1180
00:51:26,070 --> 00:51:23,350
it we've got Ryan and gene and GOG

1181
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:26,080
you're in

1182
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,680
[Music]

1183
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:43,579
thank you for listening to GCN

1184
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:47,450
be sure to visit GCN live.com today

1185
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:49,950
attack of the rock AIDS has been

1186
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:51,690
well-received by critics and readers

1187
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:53,670
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1188
00:51:58,789 --> 00:51:56,460
you'll never forget a former US military

1189
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,799
intelligence officer is haunted by

1190
00:52:03,709 --> 00:52:01,079
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1191
00:52:06,469 --> 00:52:03,719
pleading for his help after a terrible

1192
00:52:08,509 --> 00:52:06,479
battle in outer space but the dreams

1193
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:08,519
turned out to be true and thrust him

1194
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,200
into a telepathic love affair with a

1195
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:13,200
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

1196
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:15,630
destroying the earth and now the

1197
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gripping tale continues in the coming of

1198
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the protectors it's the second book of

1199
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:23,519
the rock oyster elegy a galaxy spanning

1200
00:52:28,729 --> 00:52:25,710
adventure that pits our hapless heroes

1201
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:28,739
against powerful fanatical enemies that

1202
00:52:33,259 --> 00:52:30,690
threaten the lives of freedom loving

1203
00:52:36,009 --> 00:52:33,269
beings everywhere attack of the rock

1204
00:52:38,739 --> 00:52:36,019
ODEs and the coming of the protectors

1205
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1230
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1231
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:04,109
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1232
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:12,670
here's James Steinberg that is the

1233
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:16,180
spiritual or the spirit of Ryan Sprague

1234
00:54:21,329 --> 00:54:19,000
he decided to become a Ghostbuster and

1235
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:21,339
he got so wrapped up into his job that

1236
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:25,390
he fell inside one of those machines the

1237
00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:28,180
containment module oh man that is a

1238
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:30,150
party I would love to be invited to

1239
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:32,230
ghosts are not my thing Jane they

1240
00:54:36,089 --> 00:54:34,510
terrify me I had some incidents with

1241
00:54:40,109 --> 00:54:36,099
Paul Kimball and Greg Bishop that I'll

1242
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:40,119
never forget so yes go into that I did

1243
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:41,770
read there start reading about that in

1244
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:45,250
there in your book under which I only

1245
00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:48,490
have managed to skim into since gene

1246
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:51,160
passed me a copy but yeah go into that a

1247
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:52,720
bit because that really piqued my

1248
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,210
interest you did this experience with

1249
00:54:58,770 --> 00:54:57,520
them Paul Kimble up in Canada Nova

1250
00:55:01,079 --> 00:54:58,780
Scotia wasn't it

1251
00:55:03,450 --> 00:55:01,089
yes it was you know I've recently got

1252
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:03,460
back there a couple weeks ago with with

1253
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:06,760
them for Paul's esoteric on which was a

1254
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:09,700
very awesome event and you know we had a

1255
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:11,950
really good time let loose but the year

1256
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:13,990
before the gods we were we went there

1257
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:16,450
and we were in Liverpool Nova Scotia

1258
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:20,440
where we went on a ghost hunt at the the

1259
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:23,560
Queens County Museum and you know I know

1260
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:25,450
Greg's talked about what he experienced

1261
00:55:29,849 --> 00:55:27,130
that night in the museum but I had a

1262
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:29,859
completely separate event happened where

1263
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:32,740
I was in a room with a bunch of other

1264
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:35,740
attendees and we had the Ghost Box that

1265
00:55:39,329 --> 00:55:37,330
I know Greg's described you know this

1266
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,339
thing it transmitted the spirit box

1267
00:55:44,339 --> 00:55:42,160
there's seven and a lot yeah exactly

1268
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:44,349
transmitting different radio frequencies

1269
00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:45,970
you know you might catch a word here or

1270
00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:49,060
there and it's supposedly supposed to be

1271
00:55:54,329 --> 00:55:50,619
how a spirit can communicate with you

1272
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,339
not directly but just phrases you know

1273
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:57,040
how you interpret it so you know I'm in

1274
00:56:00,930 --> 00:55:58,570
a room with a bunch of people and this

1275
00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:00,940
thing starts telling us word-for-word

1276
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:04,660
that it is a little girl it's scared and

1277
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:07,540
it wants to leave and we're all sitting

1278
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:08,890
down getting to the

1279
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,020
level of the supposedly no girls spirit

1280
00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:15,040
and I am sitting cross-legged and I

1281
00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:17,800
immediately feel a weight push my legs

1282
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:20,980
down put its arms around me and hug me

1283
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:23,590
and then get up and run out of the room

1284
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:26,050
now at that immediate moment Gregg was

1285
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:29,020
in the doorway and he felt a cold wind

1286
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:30,610
brush right past him

1287
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:34,510
so this was extremely interesting to me

1288
00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:37,090
I had add my own personal account Gregg

1289
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,400
was there to to corroborate it

1290
00:56:44,370 --> 00:56:40,960
and we each had different experiences

1291
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:44,380
within the same incident so that changed

1292
00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:46,090
my entire perspective I was never a big

1293
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:48,520
ghost person very skeptical about all of

1294
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,770
it but that night definitely changed my

1295
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:53,200
mind do I believe it was a ghost I can't

1296
00:56:57,420 --> 00:56:54,490
tell you do I believe there was an

1297
00:56:59,610 --> 00:56:57,430
energy there that directly tried to

1298
00:57:02,280 --> 00:56:59,620
convey something to me yes what that

1299
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,290
message is I cannot tell you but it left

1300
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:04,720
me shaken and I did not sleep that night

1301
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:07,660
I can tell you that much the song who

1302
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:10,690
you gonna call it's gonna be Paul Andrew

1303
00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:13,480
Kimball yes the new and improved Paul

1304
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:15,670
Kimball the ghost hunter who is just

1305
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:17,980
killing it out there in Nova Scotia it

1306
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:20,340
was any of this recorded audio or visual

1307
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:23,980
so my event gods was not but there was a

1308
00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:26,260
separate event that I'll have to try to

1309
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:28,060
dig this up I think Gregg has audio I

1310
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:31,210
might have video where they spoke on the

1311
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:31,930
rem-pod

1312
00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:35,680
this other device - supposedly - Mac

1313
00:57:40,110 --> 00:57:37,660
Tony's and I know Gregg has talked about

1314
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,120
this and I was there for one of the

1315
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:42,400
communications now again this is

1316
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:43,960
something I'll have to try to dig up for

1317
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:45,940
you guys but I'll tell you right now

1318
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:49,270
that thing was going off like crazy when

1319
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:51,010
Paul was asking it very personal

1320
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:53,230
questions about his friendship with Mac

1321
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:56,110
they always had this pact that when one

1322
00:58:00,780 --> 00:57:58,090
of them died that they would come back

1323
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,790
to haunt the other which i think is a

1324
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,520
very interesting friendship to have and

1325
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:05,680
as far as I can tell that night and

1326
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:08,050
several other occasions Mac has made

1327
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:10,540
himself known to Paul and I was there to

1328
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:13,270
witness that in some small way I can

1329
00:58:18,030 --> 00:58:15,730
just imagine you know of all people some

1330
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:18,040
do like Matt Tony's you know doing

1331
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:19,180
exactly that

1332
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:21,340
the mind boggles to think you know one

1333
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:22,450
of us guys and

1334
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:24,970
part of normal kind of dying prematurely

1335
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,030
and then you know getting to find out

1336
00:58:32,849 --> 00:58:30,880
the answer are possibly some answers to

1337
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,859
the mysteries of what happens next if

1338
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:35,440
anything and to actually be on the other

1339
00:58:41,069 --> 00:58:37,950
side of the matter so to speak and

1340
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,079
somehow find a way through a spirit box

1341
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:44,079
or a rem-pod or something to talk to

1342
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:46,170
former kind of colleagues friends

1343
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:48,730
co-investigators that just that alone

1344
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:51,010
would just be mind-boggling and who

1345
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,480
knows it could be happening obviously

1346
00:58:57,569 --> 00:58:54,400
something was happening because I can

1347
00:59:00,720 --> 00:58:57,579
imagine for instance people like Paul

1348
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:00,730
being you know skeptical enough that he

1349
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:03,070
he's not gonna fall for anything you

1350
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:04,619
know he's just because of rem-pod

1351
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,890
flashes and it coincides with two for

1352
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:10,960
yes one for no maybe one or two

1353
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:13,030
questions but you would you would tailor

1354
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your questions to a point where you know

1355
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:17,650
it would be have to be such specific

1356
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knowledge and I such a given specific

1357
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:22,630
answer that it would really reduce the

1358
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:24,970
risk of it being completely a fluke

1359
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,000
accidental you know and you know I'd

1360
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,680
love to see some footage of that that

1361
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:32,079
would that be amazing that yes let me

1362
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:34,650
I'll have to dig into my my history on

1363
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:36,970
my social networks for that but I'll

1364
00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:38,710
definitely get that to you guys but I'll

1365
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:40,780
tell you this too in the paranormal

1366
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:42,460
world there's the spiritual and there's

1367
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:44,650
the science and that seems to be you

1368
00:59:48,750 --> 00:59:46,510
know the the two fists going at each

1369
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:48,760
other constantly and where you have

1370
00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:50,770
someone like Paul who's more on the tech

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00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:53,339
side and relies on you know these

1372
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,290
equipment and machines I had a physical

1373
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personal experience and that's all I

1374
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needed to tell me something had happened

1375
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:03,190
now when all else fails maybe science

1376
01:00:07,859 --> 01:00:05,470
will be there to sort of communicate

1377
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:07,869
that through these REM pods or these

1378
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ghost spirit boxes but I will tell you

1379
01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:12,970
right now I think feeling and

1380
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:14,740
experiencing something is gonna be much

1381
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:16,150
more powerful than any sort of

1382
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:18,460
scientific evidence about the paranormal

1383
01:00:22,859 --> 01:00:20,980
and these small personal disclosures

1384
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:22,869
whether it's through a UFO sighting or

1385
01:00:27,329 --> 01:00:25,630
through a paranormal experience it's

1386
01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:27,339
gonna be much more in the grand scheme

1387
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:30,520
of things than any hard data can

1388
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,490
possibly do and that's totally okay with

1389
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:35,200
me you know as much as I strive for

1390
01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:36,250
legitimacy with

1391
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the UFO field and beyond in terms of

1392
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evidence and data I think each person

1393
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:43,120
having their own personal experience is

1394
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what matters most and that's extremely

1395
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:47,380
exciting to me as someone who studies

1396
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:49,720
human beings for living as a playwright

1397
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,970
trying to create characters that's what

1398
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:54,160
I love and I love to see how they change

1399
01:00:58,770 --> 01:00:56,290
after these pivotal moments in their

1400
01:01:00,750 --> 01:00:58,780
life so I think wise may also be there

1401
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:00,760
is never any objective experience there

1402
01:01:06,810 --> 01:01:04,180
it's so subjective it's so much internal

1403
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:06,820
that there's no way to really

1404
01:01:11,090 --> 01:01:08,890
investigate it scientifically because

1405
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scientists they could methods require

1406
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:14,380
repeating something exactly every time

1407
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,840
and if it changes each time you don't

1408
01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:18,640
have that consistent evidence which is

1409
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,860
unfortunate in a way because scientists

1410
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:22,720
will insist on that let me throw this in

1411
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by the way since we had the Ghostbuster

1412
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reference before we all know that the

1413
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author of the Ghostbusters song was Ray

1414
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:34,000
Parker jr. now did you know that there

1415
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was a lawsuit involving Huey Lewis of

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Huey Lewis and the news at Ray Parker

1417
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:42,130
and Columbia Pictures because supposedly

1418
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,830
the melody to the Ghostbusters theme

1419
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song infringed on the copyright for a

1420
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song called I want a new drug now that

1421
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you mentioned that I'm playing both

1422
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songs in my head I can sort of see that

1423
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but we hear this all the time you know

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we had this with Vanilla Ice and David

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Bowie it's so hard when it comes to to

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music you know how much can you you

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remain unique and what hasn't been done

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before even with storytelling gene you

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know every story has been told it's just

1430
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how you you kind of switch it up a

1431
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little bit each time and work off of it

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but that's unfortunate yeah was a legal

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settlement between the parties it

1434
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reminds me for example of George

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Harrison's my sweet lord which infringed

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on the copyright for he's so fine and

1437
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there was a settlement that's one thing

1438
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to whenever they've had that I think

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maybe John Lennon who might have had one

1440
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of those at one time they just settled

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they don't argue about it right yeah

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which is a big thing in the legal field

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we don't see often it's just this

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settlements and yeah that's all

1445
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it's good to know that they could work

1446
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it out the Ghostbusters theme was

1447
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actually the number one song the day of

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my birthday so there's a little fun

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trivia for you this is how this is how

1450
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the music really just gets involved in

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everything we do we think of the musical

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reference which does have an important

1453
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cultural aspect to it absolutely okay

1454
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just like how songs come to people and

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dreams like for example Paul McCartney

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and the song he wrote about mother Mary

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mm-hmm that was his mother who dreamed

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about his mother yeah yeah or they

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commit like most you know that was of

1460
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course let it be anyway some of his

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interesting songs came to him in a dream

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answered in a very strange way long time

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ago and that is before Kenneth Arnold

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had his sighting of the nine kind of

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ellipsoid objects was there ever another

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sighting before then with the same kind

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of objects I mean in terms of my own

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research Jean yeah definitely I mean

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we've we've had dome shaped saucer

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shaped

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sighting me precisely those precisely

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those that's a great question that I

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could not personally speak to gods have

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you come across anything saucer when it

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moat sues it was they know Chevron

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shaped things the actual Kenneth Arnold

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ones they weren't that there was that

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whole thing about that the newspapers

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picking it up wrong that may said yeah

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skips like saucers but they actually

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looked like kind of almost like a bat

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wing type thing so it was like you know

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symmetrical left and right bilateral

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symmetry I think but not you know if you

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look at it top down it would almost look

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like I'm the Batman symbol pointing

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backwards

1606
01:09:31,850 --> 01:09:30,160
I think that's what it looked like but I

1607
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:31,860
don't think I've seen anything

1608
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:35,500
specifically like those they were seen

1609
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:38,050
at quite a distance weren't they so it

1610
01:09:42,330 --> 01:09:40,510
may be difficult to maybe there was some

1611
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:42,340
kind of optical illusion happening

1612
01:09:47,190 --> 01:09:45,130
anyway because of the perspective it may

1613
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:47,200
have been difficult to ascertain their

1614
01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:49,750
exact shape well other than the fact

1615
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:51,700
that they may have been projections from

1616
01:10:02,720 --> 01:09:59,230
Commissioner Gordon sightings of similar

1617
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:02,730
objects but they were always traced to

1618
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:07,150
happening after Arnold's sighting had

1619
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:10,270
been reported so after that sighting

1620
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:12,730
others saw something similar but

1621
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:15,730
evidently not before and I was asked

1622
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:18,670
about this because sometime Oh few years

1623
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:21,970
back I briefly did a little research for

1624
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:24,360
that movie that still hasn't come out

1625
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:29,860
7:01 okay James Fox James Fox and Tracy

1626
01:10:35,670 --> 01:10:33,760
Torme was involved with it and I did

1627
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:35,680
this research and I got a nice little

1628
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:37,990
piece of money that I needed and I was

1629
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:40,230
asked that question can you find a

1630
01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:44,340
sighting that was reported before

1631
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:47,500
Arnolds with the same kind of object and

1632
01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:50,650
the answer was I couldn't and I talked

1633
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:52,300
to a few other people about it

1634
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:54,340
I think Kevin Randle looked into it at

1635
01:10:59,460 --> 01:10:56,590
one time and he mentioned a sighting

1636
01:11:02,880 --> 01:10:59,470
similar but when he didn't as they say

1637
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:02,890
he traced the sources D calls of chasing

1638
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:04,540
footnotes when he chased the footnotes

1639
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:08,710
he found that it was reported after so

1640
01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:12,400
that cultural reference was distorted to

1641
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:15,940
create the saucer image but no object

1642
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:18,760
like that occurred before Arnold so

1643
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:19,750
what's going on here

1644
01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:22,330
it's fascinating Jean I mean you look at

1645
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:24,340
the sociological and cultural aspects of

1646
01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:26,290
the Kenneth Arnold sighting and they

1647
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,200
have literally shaped you know no pun

1648
01:11:33,420 --> 01:11:31,360
intended they have shaped the phenomenon

1649
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:33,430
moving forward in terms of the flying

1650
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:35,800
saucers and a lot of skeptics like to

1651
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:38,410
use that idea of the you know the

1652
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:41,050
misquote that everyone saw saucers after

1653
01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:41,940
this miss

1654
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:44,220
in the newspaper so that clearly shows

1655
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:47,190
that they are not seeing these because

1656
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:49,590
that was not what was reported I find

1657
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,510
that intriguing and again it comes back

1658
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:53,040
to that whole feedback loop of the

1659
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:55,560
co-creation after he had the sighting

1660
01:11:57,620 --> 01:11:57,180
and this got out to the zeitgeist to the

1661
01:11:59,540 --> 01:11:57,630
public

1662
01:12:02,300 --> 01:11:59,550
did that help shape the phenomenon after

1663
01:12:05,420 --> 01:12:02,310
that is this what the controller's of

1664
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:05,430
these crafts maybe maybe how they wanted

1665
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,380
to be interpreted after that I don't

1666
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,840
know but it's definitely something that

1667
01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:11,760
I find fascinating is trying to figure

1668
01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:14,430
out the the motives in the agenda of the

1669
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:16,680
phenomenon and yeah I can't tell you I

1670
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:18,330
have any answers but I'm gonna keep

1671
01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:21,390
looking that goes back to co-creation if

1672
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:23,790
we're creating part of the image of

1673
01:12:28,730 --> 01:12:26,340
what's going on of the phenomenon then

1674
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:28,740
we all have different cultural things

1675
01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:32,300
that influence us but when some of those

1676
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:36,630
become so popular so strong like graze

1677
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:39,090
it takes over a lot of our perceptions

1678
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:41,400
and that's what makes it to go back to

1679
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:43,260
what we were talking about before that's

1680
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:44,580
what makes it so difficult for

1681
01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:46,530
scientists to investigate because they

1682
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:49,200
want the consistency repeatability if

1683
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:51,450
this thing is so ephemeral so subjective

1684
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:55,080
where is the repeatability I realize as

1685
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,330
a playwright it doesn't matter to you

1686
01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,340
but if we're going to get an

1687
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:02,040
understanding of what's going on how can

1688
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,190
we properly describe it if there is no

1689
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,100
single description I I agree I also you

1690
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:10,620
know as a playwright yes I don't depend

1691
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:12,300
on that repeatability but I do respect

1692
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,420
it is well gene I think you know some

1693
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:17,460
people ask me you know well what what

1694
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:18,930
did you find what patterns and

1695
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:20,970
connections did you find him among the

1696
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:22,760
hundreds of people you interviewed and

1697
01:13:29,150 --> 01:13:26,580
not many to be completely honest a few

1698
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:29,160
things I found intriguing were a lot of

1699
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:30,900
sightings and experiences were near

1700
01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:33,840
water or there was lineage you know

1701
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,390
throughout different generations of

1702
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:38,400
families people had UFO encounters or

1703
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:40,710
events but other than that I did not

1704
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:42,810
find much repeatability that maybe

1705
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,030
disappointing for the scientific field

1706
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:46,800
you know that's what they strive on the

1707
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:49,080
scientific method but for me yeah when

1708
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:50,310
I'm looking at it from a different angle

1709
01:13:55,740 --> 01:13:53,100
as a cultural and a human side of it all

1710
01:13:59,400 --> 01:13:55,750
that repeatability isn't as important

1711
01:14:01,200 --> 01:13:59,410
to me as the core impact and implication

1712
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:01,210
to having either a singular event or

1713
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,510
even repeated events so it's a sort of

1714
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:06,640
vague way and broad way of looking at it

1715
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:08,530
all but I respect both ends of it for

1716
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:09,010
sure

1717
01:14:16,290 --> 01:14:11,860
so as a UFO researcher where do you go

1718
01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:16,300
with it I continue to interview people

1719
01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:19,480
to find that human side of it I know I

1720
01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:21,460
keep coming back to that but just

1721
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:24,820
telling stories trying to be a you know

1722
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:26,860
a a way for people to get their voices

1723
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:28,930
out there who might be afraid to come

1724
01:14:32,820 --> 01:14:30,850
forward or are afraid of the ridicule

1725
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:32,830
that comes with all this getting the

1726
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:36,070
stories out there without witnesses and

1727
01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:38,770
experiencers we don't have anything to

1728
01:14:43,470 --> 01:14:41,500
study we have nothing you know we know

1729
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:43,480
Freedman oh he says you know how many

1730
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:45,220
people have seen UFOs 90 percent of his

1731
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:46,420
audience raises their hand how many

1732
01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:48,730
reported it maybe thirty forty percent

1733
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:51,700
report it tell it to someone cuz we're

1734
01:14:54,930 --> 01:14:53,170
willing to listen and I think that's

1735
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:54,940
what's most important you know whether

1736
01:14:58,830 --> 01:14:56,980
or not we believe them that's a whole

1737
01:15:01,140 --> 01:14:58,840
different story but at least let's get

1738
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,150
the stories out there because it's only

1739
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:03,640
gonna move us forward normalize the

1740
01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:07,570
topic and you know just try to find some

1741
01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:10,990
answers among more people okay being sad

1742
01:15:16,020 --> 01:15:12,790
to go here for a second than Gunks you

1743
01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:16,030
can take over if that if the sightings

1744
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:18,460
are so different how do you create a

1745
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:22,390
model of the UFO sighting I think that's

1746
01:15:27,390 --> 01:15:23,890
hard and I think that's where a lot of

1747
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:27,400
the scientific investigation groups fail

1748
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:29,860
time it's um again you know looking at

1749
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:31,690
some of the bigger ins MUFON in

1750
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:34,690
particular is how how do you create a

1751
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:37,330
model to come to any sort of conclusions

1752
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:40,090
and every director of research or

1753
01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:41,020
investigation

1754
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:44,020
I think tries their hardest I honestly

1755
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:45,750
believe that when it comes to these

1756
01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:49,150
investigatory organizations but look

1757
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:50,860
we've never found an answer we've never

1758
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:53,650
created one model to scientifically

1759
01:15:56,430 --> 01:15:55,570
investigate these things or come to any

1760
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conclusions

1761
01:16:02,730 --> 01:15:59,920
so I think the phenomenon knows that and

1762
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:02,740
I think it can be malleable and changed

1763
01:16:06,750 --> 01:16:04,590
they're out of time so that we cannot

1764
01:16:09,689 --> 01:16:06,760
sort of catch up to it with our own

1765
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science or our own scientific method or

1766
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so that's kind of you know a strong

1767
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hypothetical but when I find it

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interesting and intriguing to say the

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least

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hi it's grant Cameron from presidential

1872
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:00,180
UFO calm you're listening to the Peres

1873
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:03,090
cast the gold standard of paranormal

1874
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:10,920
radio that one with a question mark I

1875
01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:14,010
think mirrors one that Greg Bishop did

1876
01:21:21,650 --> 01:21:16,980
one time I'm gonna call Greg and have

1877
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,660
him sue you for that right the guy named

1878
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:23,760
Michael Cohen or something a lawyer from

1879
01:21:28,730 --> 01:21:27,120
New York he'll take on the case I know

1880
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:28,740
people don't want me to talk about

1881
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,660
politics so I won't when putting

1882
01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:33,120
together this book of yours which was

1883
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,240
called somewhere in the skies what about

1884
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:38,340
it what chapter surprised you the most

1885
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:41,460
before you put it together I would have

1886
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:45,330
to say that what surprised me most gene

1887
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,130
was definitely III spent a weekend in

1888
01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:53,040
the woods with my clone the owl guy as

1889
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:55,500
I'm sure you you know and you guys know

1890
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:59,280
him well connecting UFOs to owls that

1891
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:00,480
there's some sort of connection there

1892
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:03,450
either you know before or after a UFO

1893
01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:06,570
event is having owls somehow involved

1894
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:09,180
now Mike claims to be an abductee

1895
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:12,570
himself and he invited me on a weekend

1896
01:22:18,230 --> 01:22:14,580
in the woods with him and several other

1897
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:18,240
experiencers and I immediately took him

1898
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:21,660
up on this offer because I still remain

1899
01:22:25,730 --> 01:22:24,030
a bit more open-minded but still remain

1900
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:25,740
pretty skeptical on the entire abduction

1901
01:22:30,350 --> 01:22:28,650
phenomenon so I wanted to deeply embed

1902
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,360
myself you know like a journalist in a

1903
01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:31,920
war zone I wanted to be right in the

1904
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:33,900
middle of it see if anything happens

1905
01:22:39,710 --> 01:22:37,410
here are the stories and so I joined

1906
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:39,720
Mike on this excursion you know we were

1907
01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:42,030
in the Adirondacks there were several

1908
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:44,700
other abductees quote-unquote there and

1909
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:46,440
I heard their stories throughout the

1910
01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:50,100
weekend so much information came at me

1911
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:52,830
there was a couple days that when I was

1912
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:54,930
going to bed the last night I was there

1913
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:00,080
I had a experience that I cannot explain

1914
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:02,250
was one of the most frightening

1915
01:23:09,020 --> 01:23:05,430
experiences I've ever had and made me

1916
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:09,030
really truly questioned how real and

1917
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:11,730
possible an abduction experience can be

1918
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:15,330
and that really really changed my

1919
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:17,850
thoughts on all of it not only if it's

1920
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:19,710
real or not but the influence that

1921
01:23:24,650 --> 01:23:22,350
others can have on your perception of

1922
01:23:27,710 --> 01:23:24,660
what's happening you know I I remember

1923
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:27,720
waking up in the middle of the night and

1924
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:29,790
hearing a tapping on the window of our

1925
01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:32,610
third storey place that we were staying

1926
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:35,070
at you know and there were no trees

1927
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:36,900
outside it wasn't a branch there was no

1928
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:37,860
snow falling

1929
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:39,630
it was winter but there was no snow

1930
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:43,380
falling so what was it I was too afraid

1931
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:47,120
to look out my window and then I see

1932
01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:50,490
movement under my closed door everyone

1933
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:51,870
was asleep at this time

1934
01:23:57,260 --> 01:23:54,840
and Mike's cat was in his room with him

1935
01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:57,270
and it all kind of hit me at once this

1936
01:23:59,540 --> 01:23:59,250
immense fear that I'd never experienced

1937
01:24:01,940 --> 01:23:59,550
before

1938
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,950
my girlfriend was in bed next to me she

1939
01:24:05,690 --> 01:24:03,840
is the lightest sleeper in the world she

1940
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:05,700
would not wake up I tried waking her up

1941
01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:06,780
nothing

1942
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:08,820
she would not wake up I yelled her name

1943
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,310
I shook her nothing again just this

1944
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:13,440
immense fear that my entire reality was

1945
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:15,690
about to be shifted and I was possibly

1946
01:24:20,780 --> 01:24:18,570
going to have something related to a

1947
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:20,790
abduction experience or a close

1948
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:24,600
encounter you know luckily for me that

1949
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:26,430
did not happen I was able to look out

1950
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:29,970
the window nothing was there but it

1951
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,130
really made me empathize more with these

1952
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:34,560
individuals and realize what they must

1953
01:24:39,290 --> 01:24:36,690
have been feeling when these things were

1954
01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:39,300
happening you know that there's

1955
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:42,720
multiplied obviously by a million but it

1956
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:44,100
really opened me up and made me more

1957
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,810
compassionate to those who have these

1958
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:48,540
experiences and how scary traumatic and

1959
01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:51,900
just different in mind altering that can

1960
01:24:57,290 --> 01:24:54,600
be now I remember spending less time

1961
01:25:01,190 --> 01:24:57,300
talking to somebody named Doug who is a

1962
01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:01,200
abductee and he was pretty straight

1963
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:07,020
ahead middle-class executive and not the

1964
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,490
kind of person you'd expect to be

1965
01:25:12,740 --> 01:25:10,560
involved in this but what happened to

1966
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:12,750
him was frightening Lirio gagas you were

1967
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:13,960
going to say something

1968
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:16,480
yeah I was going to say that the this

1969
01:25:22,670 --> 01:25:19,690
fear that you experienced it sounds very

1970
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:22,680
much like the fear people often have

1971
01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:25,810
associated with sleep paralysis episodes

1972
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:28,780
and I don't know where I've had sleep

1973
01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:32,530
paralysis myself which in its Oh in its

1974
01:25:38,460 --> 01:25:34,540
own can be very frightening but I never

1975
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:38,470
had the aspect where I feel that there's

1976
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:40,630
a presence or some kind of entity or

1977
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:42,670
something negative going on I haven't

1978
01:25:47,820 --> 01:25:45,790
experienced that but just the whole the

1979
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:47,830
the almost the anticipating something

1980
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:50,470
like that about to happen it's kind of

1981
01:25:58,910 --> 01:25:54,340
scary enough so I think I can empathize

1982
01:26:02,250 --> 01:25:58,920
with with that situation you are in and

1983
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:02,260
justice seems to be a common theme in

1984
01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:05,170
their abduction and and their sleep

1985
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:09,700
paralysis this this whole am this great

1986
01:26:15,870 --> 01:26:12,550
fear that if I a loss of these

1987
01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:15,880
paranormal topics that there's I don't

1988
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:18,580
know what it is but fear comes up more

1989
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:23,380
than any other kind of emotion and I'm

1990
01:26:30,030 --> 01:26:25,510
not sure if it's always associated with

1991
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:30,040
um like likes in hauntings or something

1992
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:33,790
where things are tend to be negative you

1993
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:37,600
know IIIi think of am the blue orbs at

1994
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:40,690
skinwalker ranch just creating fear on

1995
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:42,790
people turning up detained immediately

1996
01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:45,520
and then people in sleep paralysis

1997
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:48,670
having just the most incredible fear

1998
01:26:54,090 --> 01:26:50,860
there's some you know dark figure

1999
01:26:58,230 --> 01:26:54,100
looming over them and how it must be to

2000
01:27:00,780 --> 01:26:58,240
be in go through some kind of abduction

2001
01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:00,790
experience you know whether it's scary

2002
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:03,460
or not these experiences seem to be able

2003
01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:09,550
to just bypass normal em cues for fear

2004
01:27:15,450 --> 01:27:11,830
and just take you straight to ten on the

2005
01:27:18,030 --> 01:27:15,460
scale yeah yeah I mean fear dogs I feel

2006
01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:18,040
in my opinion is the most human and

2007
01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:20,020
vulnerable thing we can feel it puts us

2008
01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:24,100
in the moment immediate I again coming

2009
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:26,440
back to that idea that whatever these

2010
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:27,850
phenomena are Karen

2011
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:30,880
or UFOs whatever this is intelligences

2012
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:33,370
are they want to evoke something out of

2013
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:36,550
us a reaction in emotion maybe they lack

2014
01:27:40,590 --> 01:27:38,410
emotion we hear this time and time again

2015
01:27:42,570 --> 01:27:40,600
with abductees that they didn't care

2016
01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:42,580
what they were doing to me they didn't

2017
01:27:47,190 --> 01:27:44,920
understand the fear I was having they

2018
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,200
just did their thing and brought me back

2019
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:49,120
not even thinking about the implication

2020
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:51,490
of to the event and how it would affect

2021
01:27:56,910 --> 01:27:53,410
my life after so you do have to wonder

2022
01:27:59,850 --> 01:27:56,920
is it some sort of study on how humans

2023
01:28:03,000 --> 01:27:59,860
sort of gauge and react to certain

2024
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:03,010
stimuli or things I don't know I can

2025
01:28:07,140 --> 01:28:04,450
tell you in terms of my own experience

2026
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:07,150
because I'd never had sleep paralysis

2027
01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:09,310
before doesn't mean I didn't have it in

2028
01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:12,100
that moment I cannot say that was or was

2029
01:28:17,070 --> 01:28:13,900
not what I experienced I can tell you I

2030
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:17,080
did get up and I emptied the contents of

2031
01:28:22,650 --> 01:28:20,230
my backpack just to remember I did this

2032
01:28:25,230 --> 01:28:22,660
during this event and if it was all a

2033
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:25,240
dream like this you know my bag will be

2034
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:27,460
in the corner zipped up everything in

2035
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:29,860
there when I wake up and I wanted to do

2036
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:31,450
that just to prove to myself and make

2037
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:33,520
sure this was not some sort of dream or

2038
01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:36,370
sleep paralysis and I woke up and my

2039
01:28:41,130 --> 01:28:38,380
contents were all over the ground just

2040
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,140
like I had remembered doing during the

2041
01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:43,600
experience I mean again that's not proof

2042
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:45,580
of anything but it was the only thing I

2043
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,290
could think to do in the moment to

2044
01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:50,080
negate that idea that I was paralyzed in

2045
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,360
bed or or whatnot but again that whole

2046
01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:54,400
idea of emotion I do think going

2047
01:28:59,310 --> 01:28:56,740
straight to fear is something they try

2048
01:29:01,680 --> 01:28:59,320
to gauge or euphoric on the other end of

2049
01:29:03,390 --> 01:29:01,690
the spectrum and peaceful again all

2050
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:03,400
about the reaction that's kind of where

2051
01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:05,710
I'm at in my research right now it's

2052
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:07,900
funny isn't it that I when I've read

2053
01:29:12,540 --> 01:29:10,750
stories about abductions in where they

2054
01:29:14,490 --> 01:29:12,550
you know it's the whole classic I'm on

2055
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,500
like an operating table thing and

2056
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:16,960
they're sticking a syringe into my navel

2057
01:29:22,620 --> 01:29:19,120
and whatever there always seems to be

2058
01:29:24,780 --> 01:29:22,630
this telepathic instruction or is given

2059
01:29:26,910 --> 01:29:24,790
to the people that you know we are not

2060
01:29:29,850 --> 01:29:26,920
going to hurt you this won't hurt and

2061
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:29,860
then it always suddenly hurts terribly

2062
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:33,190
and then only when the people cry out

2063
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,400
does the gray or whatever wave his hand

2064
01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:38,800
and the pain is taken away straight away

2065
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:41,500
so to me that as almost says that for

2066
01:29:45,930 --> 01:29:43,690
whatever they are these alien grace they

2067
01:29:47,940 --> 01:29:45,940
don't experience pain themselves because

2068
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:47,950
they never seem to anticipate what might

2069
01:29:53,460 --> 01:29:50,650
be very painful or not but when it's

2070
01:29:55,770 --> 01:29:53,470
pointed out to them they tend to be able

2071
01:29:57,570 --> 01:29:55,780
to take it away quickly so it doesn't

2072
01:30:00,330 --> 01:29:57,580
seem to be that they're sadistically

2073
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:00,340
enjoying the pain of others but they

2074
01:30:05,130 --> 01:30:02,610
certainly seem to be indifferent to

2075
01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:05,140
probably what the experience of it is

2076
01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:06,640
because they don't seem to anticipate

2077
01:30:12,210 --> 01:30:08,920
that what they're doing is about to

2078
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:12,220
cause great pain in some cases but I've

2079
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:14,710
yet to come across a case where they're

2080
01:30:18,450 --> 01:30:16,990
like yeah we know it hurts we don't care

2081
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:18,460
and you're gonna put up with this for

2082
01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:21,250
hours yet you know we've this horrible

2083
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torture kind of a scenario gods we're

2084
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gonna be tortured by our network if we

2085
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there's the coming of the protectors a

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chicken scratch but it's it's proof that

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I actually I actually wrote it I guess

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Sprague plus dr. Peres cast icon let's

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continue here with the cultural

2236
01:37:20,669 --> 01:37:18,250
references and the abductions and

2237
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:20,679
everything yeah I'm thinking here if it

2238
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,679
was one abduction gags and you told the

2239
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:25,360
people who are administering the

2240
01:37:29,939 --> 01:37:28,090
physical tests it hurts and they say

2241
01:37:31,919 --> 01:37:29,949
okay we'll do something so it doesn't

2242
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:31,929
hurt they don't learn from their

2243
01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:35,110
mistakes do they you'd think after the

2244
01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:37,230
first time they'd realize no we can't

2245
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:39,670
inject humans that way we don't want to

2246
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:41,410
be like the doctors of old who told

2247
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:44,010
children when you're giving them an

2248
01:37:50,340 --> 01:37:47,140
occupation that's not gonna hurt and of

2249
01:37:52,220 --> 01:37:50,350
course it did they would know because

2250
01:37:54,300 --> 01:37:52,230
they study us and they've abducted

2251
01:37:57,540 --> 01:37:54,310
thousands or hundreds of thousands or

2252
01:38:01,709 --> 01:37:57,550
millions of us that we don't like to be

2253
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:01,719
pin pricked it hurts unless they use the

2254
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:04,780
same needles they now use for flu shots

2255
01:38:10,860 --> 01:38:07,600
you get a flu shot right now does it

2256
01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:10,870
hurt no so we think here the aliens are

2257
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:14,020
less advanced than the doctors or nurses

2258
01:38:21,330 --> 01:38:17,530
or pharmaceutical assistance at

2259
01:38:23,459 --> 01:38:21,340
drugstores who administer flu shots they

2260
01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:23,469
know better than et how to administer

2261
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:26,440
something without pain that's a good

2262
01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:28,540
point I you know I've been talking to

2263
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:31,150
one of your past guests Walter Bosley

2264
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:34,090
here in LA we become mutual colleagues

2265
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:36,730
and friends as of late and you know he

2266
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:39,550
brought up a good point that we always

2267
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,580
view these intelligence as so far

2268
01:38:48,110 --> 01:38:45,040
advanced that they wouldn't try to hurt

2269
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:48,120
us that they would be so far ahead that

2270
01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:51,370
they could only come for peace and this

2271
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:51,820
and that

2272
01:38:57,419 --> 01:38:53,980
and I actually agree with Walter on this

2273
01:39:00,090 --> 01:38:57,429
that why why because they're so advanced

2274
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:00,100
would that come with compassion and that

2275
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:03,010
come with such a you know a moral

2276
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:05,110
compass of let's not hurt these people

2277
01:39:09,930 --> 01:39:07,690
or let's not you know it changed their

2278
01:39:12,540 --> 01:39:09,940
lives forever in a bad way

2279
01:39:15,090 --> 01:39:12,550
you know people become alcoholics after

2280
01:39:17,220 --> 01:39:15,100
you know people after a abduction

2281
01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:17,230
experience or encounter they become

2282
01:39:21,629 --> 01:39:18,340
severely depressed

2283
01:39:24,570 --> 01:39:21,639
or they become alcoholics and you know I

2284
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:24,580
don't believe this is what a advanced

2285
01:39:29,070 --> 01:39:26,530
intelligence would want to happen to the

2286
01:39:31,229 --> 01:39:29,080
human but maybe they do so this whole

2287
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,239
argument of if they're so far advanced

2288
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,760
and intelligent that they are not here

2289
01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:36,159
to harm us in some way I have a lot of

2290
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:38,860
trouble with believing that now I I

2291
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:40,330
don't want to go as far as to say

2292
01:39:45,089 --> 01:39:42,610
they're evil and they're going to take

2293
01:39:47,609 --> 01:39:45,099
us over but again like dogs and I were

2294
01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:47,619
saying earlier you know maybe they just

2295
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:50,380
don't understand and their motivations

2296
01:39:55,979 --> 01:39:53,679
aren't that cut-and-dry of we're just

2297
01:39:58,260 --> 01:39:55,989
here to learn about how you tick and how

2298
01:40:02,010 --> 01:39:58,270
you can you know contribute to the

2299
01:40:05,010 --> 01:40:02,020
Galactic Federation as it were again we

2300
01:40:07,859 --> 01:40:05,020
don't know so you do have to wonder why

2301
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:07,869
why they're doing this and is it for the

2302
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:10,030
best reasons I don't know I don't know

2303
01:40:14,879 --> 01:40:12,130
don't you think with the abductions that

2304
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:14,889
it Sam it's probably less to do with

2305
01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:18,489
them actually collecting samples to do

2306
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:21,190
tests on whatever you know the the

2307
01:40:26,729 --> 01:40:24,369
actual purpose of it for them is to put

2308
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:26,739
somebody through an abduction if you see

2309
01:40:30,810 --> 01:40:29,050
what I mean it's not some end game of

2310
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:30,820
science that they are carrying out on

2311
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,270
human test subjects the test the science

2312
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,360
is abducting people and making them

2313
01:40:42,060 --> 01:40:39,280
think they're going through some kind of

2314
01:40:43,979 --> 01:40:42,070
test does that make sense yeah

2315
01:40:45,419 --> 01:40:43,989
absolutely I mean you have many who

2316
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,429
claim that even their abduction

2317
01:40:50,030 --> 01:40:48,159
experiencers they witnessed military

2318
01:40:52,410 --> 01:40:50,040
people involved I mean that's a whole

2319
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,420
MyLab thing that we could go down in

2320
01:40:58,859 --> 01:40:56,080
terms of a rabbit hole but maybe you're

2321
01:41:01,050 --> 01:40:58,869
right maybe maybe they just want to what

2322
01:41:03,450 --> 01:41:01,060
we perceive as the prototypical

2323
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:03,460
abduction experience let's throw that on

2324
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:06,400
to an individual and see what happens

2325
01:41:12,270 --> 01:41:10,270
after that 70 odd years 50 40 years of

2326
01:41:14,459 --> 01:41:12,280
abduction experiences have they not

2327
01:41:15,209 --> 01:41:14,469
gotten what they need scientifically

2328
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,219
from us yet

2329
01:41:20,339 --> 01:41:18,400
if supposedly thousands of individuals

2330
01:41:23,550 --> 01:41:20,349
have been abducted in all walks of life

2331
01:41:26,850 --> 01:41:23,560
like what how have they not come to some

2332
01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:26,860
sort of conclusion and scientifically

2333
01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:29,080
for their purposes on why they're

2334
01:41:32,650 --> 01:41:30,350
abducting us

2335
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,660
I do I do agree with you there that

2336
01:41:37,660 --> 01:41:34,400
maybe it's more about the experience and

2337
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:37,670
the implication to it rather than maybe

2338
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:40,130
at one time they needed hair samples

2339
01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:43,450
they needed fluid samples they needed

2340
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:46,520
OVA or eggs from women I I don't know I

2341
01:41:51,790 --> 01:41:49,040
I don't know but I do feel that the

2342
01:41:54,850 --> 01:41:51,800
abduction phenomenon has perhaps evolved

2343
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:54,860
into more of a mental and spiritual

2344
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:57,290
possibly even experience rather than

2345
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:00,080
purely scientific purposes well my

2346
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:02,210
feeling here is that we're depicting

2347
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:04,460
aliens who are quite primitive and very

2348
01:42:10,150 --> 01:42:06,650
stupid because I think of an advanced

2349
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,160
alien race capable of star travel comes

2350
01:42:13,390 --> 01:42:12,080
here they would have the medical

2351
01:42:16,330 --> 01:42:13,400
knowledge and do the preliminary

2352
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:16,340
research that's required they could

2353
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:19,520
abduct us in a way that we'd have no

2354
01:42:25,810 --> 01:42:22,130
memory of it we'd have no awareness of

2355
01:42:28,060 --> 01:42:25,820
it we couldn't detect an RFID chip in

2356
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:28,070
our bodies because it would be

2357
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:29,210
undetectable

2358
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:32,810
there'd be no pain involved because as I

2359
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:35,210
said we'd have no memory instead we have

2360
01:42:40,270 --> 01:42:37,850
this image of the owl which is a screen

2361
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:40,280
memory a very primitive idea that they

2362
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:42,770
insert a screen memory to hide the

2363
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:45,710
memory of the abduction which is easily

2364
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:48,410
recovered with some kind of

2365
01:42:53,050 --> 01:42:51,770
psychotherapy or hypnotic regression and

2366
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:53,060
I'm thinking here maybe it's all the

2367
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:56,090
reverse the abduction itself is a screen

2368
01:43:00,610 --> 01:42:57,290
memory for something that really

2369
01:43:03,670 --> 01:43:00,620
happened and we can't get down there and

2370
01:43:06,370 --> 01:43:03,680
find out it's a very interesting array I

2371
01:43:09,010 --> 01:43:06,380
haven't really thought about that I've

2372
01:43:11,290 --> 01:43:09,020
got a question for you Ryan now

2373
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:11,300
Seema's it with this book that you were

2374
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:13,850
interested on really the human side of

2375
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:15,890
all these stories or all these people

2376
01:43:21,550 --> 01:43:18,530
you interviewed they we know for

2377
01:43:23,650 --> 01:43:21,560
instance Chris O'Brien you know trying

2378
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:23,660
to get money together for herself San

2379
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,450
Luis Valley camera project now let's

2380
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:29,360
just say for instance that you had all

2381
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:31,670
the funding and all the time in the

2382
01:43:38,130 --> 01:43:35,210
world to pursue an aspect or whatever

2383
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:38,140
avi ufology or maybe some other

2384
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:41,930
paranormal field what would it be what

2385
01:43:48,850 --> 01:43:45,010
would you do what would you reach

2386
01:43:51,850 --> 01:43:48,860
mmm another other than the UFO

2387
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:51,860
phenomenon well whatever you know if you

2388
01:43:59,070 --> 01:43:53,630
were doing UFOs what would it be

2389
01:44:02,350 --> 01:43:59,080
yeah I you know I think I would want to

2390
01:44:04,930 --> 01:44:02,360
to look into the word the realm of

2391
01:44:08,260 --> 01:44:04,940
cryptozoology to be completely honest

2392
01:44:10,810 --> 01:44:08,270
something I'm not that familiar with but

2393
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,820
find extremely fascinating and actually

2394
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:13,520
a lot more down-to-earth then you know

2395
01:44:17,170 --> 01:44:15,470
again no pun intended than the UFO

2396
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:17,180
phenomenon or even the paranormal is

2397
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:20,210
this idea that there are creatures out

2398
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:22,490
there we've yet to discover or have been

2399
01:44:27,490 --> 01:44:25,610
there for centuries and are just now you

2400
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know being sighted that's always

2401
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fascinated me too now in terms of stuff

2402
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like what Chris Chris O'Brien is doing I

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love this idea of you know using science

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and using technology to try to do things

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like that I did interview many

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scientists in individuals in my book

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about just that you know sending micro

2408
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satellites into space is something like

2409
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UFO data or CubeSat um now you know in

2410
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terms of how far these projects have

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come along you know funding seems to be

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a big problem with that but you look at

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Mark Dantonio where they're trying to

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2474
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2485
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were starting something yeah we're gonna

2486
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go into questions now Jean from the

2487
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:32,550
forum you know what let's I got an idea

2488
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:34,100
let's go into questions from the forum

2489
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:38,090
let's do that I got a question here from

2490
01:48:44,689 --> 01:48:41,489
Angelo also known as angel Loren who's

2491
01:48:48,650 --> 01:48:44,699
been a member since 2009 he's one of

2492
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:48,660
old-school for sure and his question for

2493
01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:51,900
Ryan is for your book you interviewed

2494
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,510
dozens of people and in doing so are

2495
01:48:59,410 --> 01:48:56,400
there links between the various

2496
01:49:02,540 --> 01:48:59,420
experiences that took you by surprise

2497
01:49:04,490 --> 01:49:02,550
also as one of the younger voices in the

2498
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:04,500
field is there anything you feel can be

2499
01:49:09,670 --> 01:49:07,199
done to calm the animosity that seems to

2500
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:09,680
exist between some of the longtime

2501
01:49:15,170 --> 01:49:13,199
ufologists mm-hmm those are two very

2502
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:15,180
different questions I'll answer the

2503
01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:18,090
first one in terms of patterns or you

2504
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:19,560
know things I found in the book again I

2505
01:49:24,050 --> 01:49:22,290
think I spoke earlier about this is

2506
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:24,060
there were not many patterns I could

2507
01:49:29,450 --> 01:49:25,560
come up with these events are extremely

2508
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:29,460
messy they are non chronological there

2509
01:49:33,620 --> 01:49:31,500
was very little repeatability in terms

2510
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:33,630
of what people experienced or reported

2511
01:49:38,780 --> 01:49:36,210
to me the only things I could sort of

2512
01:49:40,850 --> 01:49:38,790
come up with in terms of that was the

2513
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:40,860
implication and that it was life

2514
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:44,130
changing and the other one I would say

2515
01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:47,730
would have to be that it happened within

2516
01:49:52,580 --> 01:49:50,340
families that one person had an event

2517
01:49:54,020 --> 01:49:52,590
and then another and then another and it

2518
01:49:55,939 --> 01:49:54,030
was traced throughout the generations

2519
01:49:58,710 --> 01:49:55,949
now I'm not saying that's always the

2520
01:50:00,240 --> 01:49:58,720
case but those were sort of the core pad

2521
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:00,250
as I found with these individuals and

2522
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:04,810
also a lot of them were anti ETH which I

2523
01:50:10,620 --> 01:50:07,210
think was most surprising to me is they

2524
01:50:12,900 --> 01:50:10,630
didn't say to me aliens took me aliens

2525
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,910
were piloting that UFO aliens were

2526
01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:15,280
involved with this it was I had a weird

2527
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,430
experience something took me on to a

2528
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:21,760
craft and did something to me or

2529
01:50:26,970 --> 01:50:24,490
something was over my head and I could

2530
01:50:30,090 --> 01:50:26,980
sort of have a telepathic communication

2531
01:50:31,770 --> 01:50:30,100
with it and never the word alien was

2532
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:31,780
used with most of these people so I

2533
01:50:37,110 --> 01:50:33,610
found that very fascinating dogs in

2534
01:50:39,810 --> 01:50:37,120
terms of a pattern was that how low the

2535
01:50:42,510 --> 01:50:39,820
eth was on that scale of individuals

2536
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:42,520
very intriguing in terms of the other

2537
01:50:47,850 --> 01:50:45,370
question the animosity within the UFO

2538
01:50:50,010 --> 01:50:47,860
field you know I knew that full well

2539
01:50:53,310 --> 01:50:50,020
going into it Peter Robbins warned me of

2540
01:50:56,190 --> 01:50:53,320
this very early on in my UFO research

2541
01:50:58,380 --> 01:50:56,200
and trying to get into this field break

2542
01:51:01,140 --> 01:50:58,390
into it as it were this self-appointed

2543
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:01,150
field we find ourselves in the animosity

2544
01:51:05,070 --> 01:51:03,280
has always been there I feel it

2545
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,080
subsiding but you do have a big age gap

2546
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:07,360
when it comes to this a lot of people

2547
01:51:11,610 --> 01:51:08,890
don't feel there are younger people

2548
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:11,620
looking at this and I beg to differ

2549
01:51:16,530 --> 01:51:14,650
there are many young individuals in the

2550
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:16,540
field their voices just haven't been

2551
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:18,250
heard yet and that's kind of what I'm

2552
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:20,500
trying to do if I'm considered one of

2553
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:22,300
the younger people Greg Bishop believes

2554
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:24,760
I'm in my 20s I'm very honored but I am

2555
01:51:30,420 --> 01:51:28,330
33 if that's considered young we got to

2556
01:51:32,220 --> 01:51:30,430
try to get younger people I think

2557
01:51:34,380 --> 01:51:32,230
they're out there in there sharing

2558
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:34,390
information because they know how to use

2559
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:37,060
that technology social networking and

2560
01:51:42,540 --> 01:51:40,090
really really come up with some new

2561
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:42,550
fresh ideas again the nuts and bolts

2562
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:45,370
ufology is a thing of the past we

2563
01:51:50,010 --> 01:51:47,920
respect it we work off of it and we try

2564
01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:50,020
to ask new questions so in terms of

2565
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:52,450
animosity I don't see that as much these

2566
01:51:56,430 --> 01:51:54,330
days when dealing with the new

2567
01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:56,440
quote/unquote generation of UFO

2568
01:52:00,900 --> 01:51:59,320
researchers we're all just trying to you

2569
01:52:03,450 --> 01:52:00,910
know stand on the shoulders of these

2570
01:52:06,150 --> 01:52:03,460
giants before us and to find answers

2571
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:06,160
okay so with this new generation of

2572
01:52:09,870 --> 01:52:08,170
younger guys are there any that you may

2573
01:52:11,870 --> 01:52:09,880
have a highlighted personally to

2574
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:11,880
yourself you know that you can see maybe

2575
01:52:17,060 --> 01:52:14,040
in 30 years joining the ranks of the

2576
01:52:19,250 --> 01:52:17,070
captain curmudgeons that we have they're

2577
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,260
not jaded enough yet you know he can't

2578
01:52:23,090 --> 01:52:21,360
tell who's gonna go down that dark pop

2579
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,100
not yet

2580
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:24,960
let's go to another question then and

2581
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:27,690
this got a crazy question here a crazy

2582
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:29,489
question that we respect and this is

2583
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:33,330
from eronel 86 who's been a member of

2584
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:38,280
the forum since 2014 and his question is

2585
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:41,280
do you have any opinions about the

2586
01:52:48,410 --> 01:52:43,790
possibility of highly intelligent

2587
01:52:51,410 --> 01:52:48,420
sentient warm-blooded dinosaur aid

2588
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:51,420
humanoids which is kind of a bit of an

2589
01:52:56,660 --> 01:52:54,510
oxymoron dinosaur aid humanoid and we're

2590
01:53:00,379 --> 01:52:56,670
existing on habitable planets and other

2591
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:00,389
star systems do we have was a purple

2592
01:53:07,490 --> 01:53:04,770
dinosaur Kids program Barney yeah Barney

2593
01:53:11,090 --> 01:53:07,500
yes is that a planet Barney somewhere oh

2594
01:53:12,500 --> 01:53:11,100
wow that is a loaded question do I have

2595
01:53:15,260 --> 01:53:12,510
an opinion on that I'll answer that

2596
01:53:18,740 --> 01:53:15,270
first sure I I'd love to have an opinion

2597
01:53:21,110 --> 01:53:18,750
on anything to be honest um in terms of

2598
01:53:22,729 --> 01:53:21,120
do I believe that's out there sure why

2599
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:22,739
the heck not we spend all our time

2600
01:53:26,810 --> 01:53:25,020
looking at this phenomenon in many

2601
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:26,820
different ways why can't there be a

2602
01:53:32,540 --> 01:53:29,340
planet why can't there be in alternate

2603
01:53:35,419 --> 01:53:32,550
universe where where there is a an

2604
01:53:42,610 --> 01:53:35,429
entire planet full of dinosaur humanoids

2605
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:42,620
I have no yeah yeah seriously

2606
01:53:47,649 --> 01:53:45,840
the thing about dinosaurs is to me it

2607
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:47,659
actually makes sense that there could be

2608
01:53:53,540 --> 01:53:51,690
intelligent reptilian species because we

2609
01:53:56,050 --> 01:53:53,550
always say that the oldest part of the

2610
01:53:59,149 --> 01:53:56,060
human brain stem is the reptilian brain

2611
01:54:01,250 --> 01:53:59,159
right and so if there was reptiles and

2612
01:54:04,580 --> 01:54:01,260
dinosaurs millions of years before

2613
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:04,590
humans so in a way it could kind of make

2614
01:54:11,590 --> 01:54:08,159
sense that our reptilians kind of a line

2615
01:54:14,540 --> 01:54:11,600
of evolution would come to sentient and

2616
01:54:18,890 --> 01:54:14,550
some kind of intelligence possibly long

2617
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:18,900
before any humanoid so maybe that's why

2618
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:22,530
there are so much snake symbology and

2619
01:54:27,130 --> 01:54:25,370
reptile symbology that's like

2620
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:27,140
see that our nemesis or whatever going

2621
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:29,810
back into into you know ancient lore

2622
01:54:34,570 --> 01:54:31,730
whatever it's always been near this

2623
01:54:37,050 --> 01:54:34,580
thing about the reptiles and to me it

2624
01:54:41,590 --> 01:54:37,060
makes perfect sense that there could be

2625
01:54:43,470 --> 01:54:41,600
advanced reptilians even on earth I'd

2626
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:43,480
have to agree maybe there's some

2627
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:45,260
astrobiologists out there who's looking

2628
01:54:49,930 --> 01:54:48,290
at this as we speak I I do agree with

2629
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:49,940
you you know you look at the natural

2630
01:54:54,730 --> 01:54:51,890
evolution of this planet this habitable

2631
01:54:57,130 --> 01:54:54,740
planet of humans reptiles and many other

2632
01:54:58,990 --> 01:54:57,140
different species and that is very

2633
01:55:02,190 --> 01:54:59,000
possible if we find other habitable

2634
01:55:06,100 --> 01:55:02,200
planets like Earth possibly there is a

2635
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:06,110
version that did not involve humans so

2636
01:55:12,420 --> 01:55:09,130
much as it did reptile or some sort of

2637
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:12,430
hybrid of that I can definitely not

2638
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:15,440
discount that theory for sure I think

2639
01:55:20,050 --> 01:55:17,570
it's it's fascinating it's a little out

2640
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,060
there but that's why we do this you know

2641
01:55:25,180 --> 01:55:22,400
is let's let's go all the way out there

2642
01:55:27,130 --> 01:55:25,190
and then rein it in as we we learn more

2643
01:55:28,420 --> 01:55:27,140
so yeah that's that's a really

2644
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,430
interesting question when I haven't

2645
01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:30,320
thought about but I'll have to start to

2646
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:33,470
form my opinion on that as more data in

2647
01:55:39,580 --> 01:55:37,730
science comes out on that yeah Ryan some

2648
01:55:42,010 --> 01:55:39,590
of the people you spoke to of their kind

2649
01:55:44,860 --> 01:55:42,020
of abduction experiences and I noticed

2650
01:55:47,860 --> 01:55:44,870
how you are saying how few of them were

2651
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:47,870
picking at the ETH possibly as being

2652
01:55:51,310 --> 01:55:49,850
behind it and what was it like an alien

2653
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:51,320
abduction experience they were just

2654
01:55:56,410 --> 01:55:52,970
saying oh I've had this crazy experience

2655
01:55:59,290 --> 01:55:56,420
did any of them describe seeing any

2656
01:56:02,830 --> 01:55:59,300
entities be it alien or not but were

2657
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:02,840
there any kind of entity types yeah I

2658
01:56:09,190 --> 01:56:05,440
mean most of the people I interviewed

2659
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:09,200
what they saw were dark figures now

2660
01:56:13,660 --> 01:56:11,090
again we can trace that back to sleep

2661
01:56:17,580 --> 01:56:13,670
paralysis and things of that nature gods

2662
01:56:20,650 --> 01:56:17,590
but nothing in terms of you know seeing

2663
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slithering reptilians I did not come

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across any of that in my personal

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research I'm not saying that's not out

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there I just personally did not find

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that I came across instances of the

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greys and I came across instances of the

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small almost grey like beings

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that had monk-like appearance you know

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these robes that they donned so you have

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know what the hell well I don't expect

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to hear you on Broadway now maybe what

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if your plays will be produced on

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Broadway yes I've got a voice for

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playwriting let's put it that way

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02:02:20,419 --> 02:02:14,840
it's like I have a face for radio

2804
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:20,429
exactly he agrees with me no no actually

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the one question that Ryan is afraid to

2806
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answer

2807
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it's from Paul Kimball why won't he tell

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02:02:33,439 --> 02:02:29,610
us the truth about the space alien sea

2809
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:33,449
monster connection oh this is a tough

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one I have to admit guys this is an

2811
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inside joke that when I was at the

2812
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esoteric on recently with Paul you know

2813
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:43,199
whenever he was doing publicity and

2814
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marketing for the event he kept going

2815
02:02:48,169 --> 02:02:46,920
through what everyone was gonna be

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talking about Greg Bishop and the

2817
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co-creation Micah Hanks and magic and

2818
02:02:54,500 --> 02:02:53,249
the mysticism and Ryan Sprague is gonna

2819
02:02:57,500 --> 02:02:54,510
be talking about I don't know sea

2820
02:02:59,629 --> 02:02:57,510
creatures which was not true I had spent

2821
02:03:03,469 --> 02:02:59,639
months and months preparing a talk on

2822
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UFOs and was very very interested when I

2823
02:03:07,279 --> 02:03:04,949
got there to hear that I was now gonna

2824
02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:07,289
be talking about sea creatures he did

2825
02:03:10,580 --> 02:03:07,980
not make me

2826
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:10,590
that but you know as an inside you know

2827
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retorts all that when I did go up to

2828
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:15,720
give my presentation I did do an opening

2829
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slide that was all sea creatures so

2830
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through that one back in his face but he

2831
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did allow me to talk about UFOs which is

2832
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kind of my bag at this point that's

2833
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where the whole sea creature thing comes

2834
02:03:31,490 --> 02:03:28,770
in in terms of Paul's question I think

2835
02:03:34,460 --> 02:03:31,500
but maybe next year Paul I will talk

2836
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about and Nessie and everything in

2837
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between

2838
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:37,980
release the Kraken no it's really stuck

2839
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Kraken much better

2840
02:03:47,690 --> 02:03:43,560
that's Ra's al Ghul the original one who

2841
02:03:50,479 --> 02:03:47,700
played that role yes not not mr. Neeson

2842
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was it well the one they had on Gotham

2843
02:03:56,750 --> 02:03:52,560
is the fellow who played the dr. Bashir

2844
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on Star Trek Deep Space nine Alexander

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Siddiqui right gene I will admit I gave

2846
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up on Gotham after the first few

2847
02:04:05,330 --> 02:04:03,570
episodes I just couldn't do it well

2848
02:04:08,570 --> 02:04:05,340
they've gotten really deep into the

2849
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comic book lore but very much in such a

2850
02:04:14,210 --> 02:04:12,270
cartoonish way that yeah yeah you know I

2851
02:04:17,390 --> 02:04:14,220
respect that but I just say just gonna

2852
02:04:19,729 --> 02:04:17,400
get into it supposed to be about Batman

2853
02:04:22,729 --> 02:04:19,739
before he becomes Batman and you got all

2854
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:22,739
this nonsense going on that could just

2855
02:04:28,430 --> 02:04:25,530
of what well hasn't have happened after

2856
02:04:30,890 --> 02:04:28,440
Batman is Batman it's not showing how

2857
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:30,900
Bruce Wayne develops into this so much

2858
02:04:35,930 --> 02:04:33,510
it's more about all these crazy wacky

2859
02:04:39,710 --> 02:04:35,940
villains and of course the best one is

2860
02:04:41,810 --> 02:04:39,720
the guy who plays penguin he's great yes

2861
02:04:44,270 --> 02:04:41,820
I've heard I've heard yes and now they

2862
02:04:46,130 --> 02:04:44,280
even have the Joker in full racquel from

2863
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:46,140
what I hear maybe I'll have to hop back

2864
02:04:50,270 --> 02:04:47,850
in and see what's going on over there I

2865
02:04:53,120 --> 02:04:50,280
just you know DC is hit or miss with me

2866
02:04:57,170 --> 02:04:53,130
I think they do a wonderful job in terms

2867
02:04:59,780 --> 02:04:57,180
of their comic books and their CW stuff

2868
02:05:01,850 --> 02:04:59,790
but when it comes to the movies and I

2869
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:01,860
will tell you this I have a very close

2870
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:04,080
friend who is part of the Justice League

2871
02:05:10,010 --> 02:05:06,750
Cinematic Universe love him to death but

2872
02:05:11,930 --> 02:05:10,020
oh man did they miss the mark with that

2873
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:11,940
one can you tell us who

2874
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:15,690
yes mr. ray Fisher a seasoned theatre

2875
02:05:21,540 --> 02:05:19,250
actor in New York who plays cyborg

2876
02:05:23,399 --> 02:05:21,550
amazing actor

2877
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:23,409
extremely underused so far in the

2878
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:25,690
Justice League universe I hope he gets

2879
02:05:30,450 --> 02:05:27,610
his moment to shine with whatever comes

2880
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:30,460
next but I think everyone can agree they

2881
02:05:33,359 --> 02:05:31,570
kind of bit off more than they could

2882
02:05:36,089 --> 02:05:33,369
chew starting with the Justice League

2883
02:05:37,709 --> 02:05:36,099
and giving us no origins story for any

2884
02:05:40,379 --> 02:05:37,719
of the other characters so we'll see

2885
02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:40,389
what happens I always have hope for DC I

2886
02:05:45,629 --> 02:05:43,840
love their characters and and I wish Rey

2887
02:05:47,910 --> 02:05:45,639
all the best with a continued success

2888
02:05:49,890 --> 02:05:47,920
with that he's a great supporter of my

2889
02:05:51,540 --> 02:05:49,900
playwriting career you know when all

2890
02:05:54,299 --> 02:05:51,550
else failed and no one came to my place

2891
02:05:57,390 --> 02:05:54,309
he was in there in the audience cheering

2892
02:05:59,850 --> 02:05:57,400
me on so you know yay cyborg that's all

2893
02:06:02,669 --> 02:05:59,860
I have to say about that when you do a

2894
02:06:05,310 --> 02:06:02,679
presentation before an audience can you

2895
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:05,320
preview kind of what you tell us

2896
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,840
do you have one specific kind of lecture

2897
02:06:12,510 --> 02:06:10,000
you deliver or do you do something

2898
02:06:14,069 --> 02:06:12,520
custom for everyone you give that's a

2899
02:06:17,580 --> 02:06:14,079
great question the only talks I have

2900
02:06:20,010 --> 02:06:17,590
given that have been different were I do

2901
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:20,020
have my main UFO talk that I give right

2902
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:22,090
now sort of based around the book really

2903
02:06:26,970 --> 02:06:24,880
really focusing on the individuals in

2904
02:06:29,310 --> 02:06:26,980
their stories and how it changed their

2905
02:06:33,180 --> 02:06:29,320
lives that's my main talk the one that I

2906
02:06:35,310 --> 02:06:33,190
gave at this year's esoteric on but the

2907
02:06:37,530 --> 02:06:35,320
only other talk I've given was about

2908
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:37,540
triangles throughout the world not in

2909
02:06:42,450 --> 02:06:40,570
terms of crafts or UFOs but you know

2910
02:06:44,609 --> 02:06:42,460
starting with the Bermuda Triangle and

2911
02:06:46,890 --> 02:06:44,619
working my way out to other mysterious

2912
02:06:48,540 --> 02:06:46,900
triangles throughout the world you know

2913
02:06:50,850 --> 02:06:48,550
we have them in Japan we have them in

2914
02:06:52,979 --> 02:06:50,860
Massachusetts we have them all over the

2915
02:06:55,020 --> 02:06:52,989
world that you know these weird things

2916
02:06:57,810 --> 02:06:55,030
are happening planes are going down the

2917
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:57,820
ships are sinking paranormal activity

2918
02:07:03,810 --> 02:07:00,639
high strangeness this whole idea of are

2919
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:03,820
we making these areas triangles and

2920
02:07:08,729 --> 02:07:06,010
shaping the mystery or are the triangles

2921
02:07:10,700 --> 02:07:08,739
shaping us so that's another talk I've

2922
02:07:13,319 --> 02:07:10,710
given in the past again in Nova Scotia

2923
02:07:15,839 --> 02:07:13,329
so right now those are the only two

2924
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:15,849
talks that I have really brought to the

2925
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public and have a really a lot of

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excitement about so right in these

2927
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triangles you are talking about are they

2928
02:07:28,049 --> 02:07:25,840
all equal at all tie angles or do they

2929
02:07:30,689 --> 02:07:28,059
sometimes come in you know like I saw

2930
02:07:32,879 --> 02:07:30,699
isosceles triangles and I'm not being

2931
02:07:34,890 --> 02:07:32,889
funny but when we see things like the

2932
02:07:38,010 --> 02:07:34,900
Bermuda Triangle and stuff it's

2933
02:07:41,490 --> 02:07:38,020
always a triangle of three equal angles

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02:07:44,130 --> 02:07:41,500
and did finding that in any other

2935
02:07:46,980 --> 02:07:44,140
identified triangles that are in the

2936
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weird the weird side of things you know

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God's I you know I wanted to I wanted to

2938
02:07:55,290 --> 02:07:53,830
really put that stark angular shape to

2939
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these things but I think that's where

2940
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you know the cultural impact of these

2941
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things really come into play and

2942
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individuals make the triangles you know

2943
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maybe something weird happened in this

2944
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area and then a little bit off to you

2945
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:09,460
know the Northeast this happened a

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little Southwest this happened let's put

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a triangle around that and it falls

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within that triangle so you know I mean

2949
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that's kind of the conclusions I came to

2950
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with that talk is that it had a lot more

2951
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to do with us shaping the triangle

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rather than the other way around so in

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terms of like an exact shape no you know

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that might be sobering and disappointing

2955
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but I think the mysteries within these

2956
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areas were intriguing themselves

2957
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yeah there's the Bridgewater triangle of

2958
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course up in the Northeast yes I

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actually interviewed the gentleman who

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does a lot of research there in my talk

2961
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and the Bridgewater one is absolutely

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fascinating I mean you have everything

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from cryptids to ghosts - evil Native

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American spirits you know exacting

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revenge and ufos being cited and

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reported there by local news anchors and

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everything you can possibly think of is

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within that would be a great TV show the

2969
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Bridgewater triangle and it'd be a bit

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like the x-files and every week could be

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some crazy different paranormal thing I

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think I've read some stuff about there

2973
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and there's some Oh strange little troll

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like creatures that would follow people

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on cousin do you know the ones I'm

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talking about

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yes yes yep yep I do know what you're

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talking about those have been reported

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as well these like strange little impish

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characters you know trickster light in

2981
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their motives it's crazy

2982
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I don't know why it happens there but

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again you have ancient burial sites of

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Native Americans this could have a lot

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to do with it you supposedly had

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satanic rituals occurring there in the

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past and just everything everything you

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could possibly think of what it is I

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don't know but something strange is

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definitely happening in Bridgewater I

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think it would make for a very

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02:14:49,609 --> 02:14:47,449
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio yes is this show really

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a triangle you know we had a form set up

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early on in the history of the para cast

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where we specialized Siri got caught up

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in it we have black triangles form that

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was set up here back in about 2007 and

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there was a whole bunch of interesting

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sightings and the person who sponsored

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it and the person who brought that to us

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kind of sort of left the field and left

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the forms I haven't heard from him again

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and it kind of died out so is this kind

3117
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of resurrected I think when we hear

3118
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about UFO sightings we seem to hear

3119
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about those a little bit more these days

3120
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am I wrong I don't think so I think you

3121
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know we we do hear about the triangles

3122
02:16:13,339 --> 02:16:10,829
being reported a lot more frequently

3123
02:16:16,939 --> 02:16:13,349
than we do saucers anymore egg-shaped

3124
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crafts or rectangular craft I think it

3125
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is the new and improved version of this

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phenomenon and it's been that way for a

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while now I mean we could relate it even

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to our own stealth craft you know is it

3129
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ours that people are seeing for my own

3130
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personal sighting gene I do believe what

3131
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I saw was some advanced technology made

3132
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here on earth I can be completely honest

3133
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about that but that's not to say that

3134
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what other people are seeing was not

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extraterrestrial in origin or non-human

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but we do hear a lot more about

3137
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triangles than we do anything else in my

3138
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opinion what do you think gods yeah III

3139
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I felt for a while to Oxley the last ten

3140
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years it seems to that

3141
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so sightings of structured craft seem to

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have gone down or the ones properly

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photographed or something and it was

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more lights in the night sky and I was I

3145
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was actually decrying the almost like

3146
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the end of when's that ones are gonna be

3147
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a good close-up source or sighting or a

3148
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you know a close encounter of the Third

3149
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Kind where they start cooking cakes and

3150
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things like that and silliness and I I

3151
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:25,620
just don't know if it's been reported

3152
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and stuff for as much as it maybe was in

3153
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the past but then again then I remind

3154
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myself well you know there's so much

3155
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going on in places like South America

3156
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and Brazil and you know just half the

3157
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half the material that supported isn't

3158
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translated and because of that we don't

3159
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kind of tend to read it so I think the

3160
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you know but definitely in the South of

3161
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England I think probably in the last 10

3162
02:17:56,990 --> 02:17:53,100
years I would definitely have heard of

3163
02:17:58,370 --> 02:17:57,000
more triangles than saucer objects for

3164
02:17:59,930 --> 02:17:58,380
sure me too

3165
02:18:02,570 --> 02:17:59,940
most of the triangular sightings I've

3166
02:18:05,510 --> 02:18:02,580
come across were in Europe or you know

3167
02:18:07,550 --> 02:18:05,520
in countries surrounding Europe as well

3168
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:07,560
yeah that's a good point too we often

3169
02:18:10,791 --> 02:18:08,970
look at these phenomena from very

3170
02:18:13,970 --> 02:18:10,801
westernized you know what's happened

3171
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:13,980
here in the United States when in Mexico

3172
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:16,290
it is fully embraced and talked about

3173
02:18:21,470 --> 02:18:18,930
and there's some of the best cases have

3174
02:18:23,660 --> 02:18:21,480
come out of there so you do have to

3175
02:18:27,020 --> 02:18:23,670
wonder why we always look to the United

3176
02:18:29,180 --> 02:18:27,030
States for reports and whatnot or you

3177
02:18:31,460 --> 02:18:29,190
have someone you know looking at it in

3178
02:18:33,980 --> 02:18:31,470
Canada someone like Chuck and what he's

3179
02:18:37,370 --> 02:18:33,990
doing in Canada there with reporting

3180
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:37,380
UFOs so yeah I think you're right in

3181
02:18:42,020 --> 02:18:39,840
terms of triangles have sort of faded

3182
02:18:44,900 --> 02:18:42,030
and we're now seeing a lot more very

3183
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:44,910
interesting evolved sightings coming

3184
02:18:50,090 --> 02:18:48,330
plasmas orbs things of this nature again

3185
02:18:52,370 --> 02:18:50,100
is this an evolution in the phenomenon

3186
02:18:54,590 --> 02:18:52,380
is it just taking a different mask or

3187
02:18:57,291 --> 02:18:54,600
shape to it I don't know but yeah yeah I

3188
02:18:59,440 --> 02:18:57,301
would say that sightings of structured

3189
02:19:02,810 --> 02:18:59,450
shaped craft have definitely gone down

3190
02:19:04,430 --> 02:19:02,820
what is that telling us Ryan in terms of

3191
02:19:06,470 --> 02:19:04,440
sightings that so-called structured

3192
02:19:08,750 --> 02:19:06,480
craft has gone does that mean our

3193
02:19:11,420 --> 02:19:08,760
cultural expectations have changed

3194
02:19:12,890 --> 02:19:11,430
obviously Stanton Friedman would

3195
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:12,900
probably tell us well

3196
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:15,330
vt is sending off different crafts now

3197
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:16,170
mm-hmm

3198
02:19:20,780 --> 02:19:18,330
I would agree with Stanton I would also

3199
02:19:24,050 --> 02:19:20,790
disagree with him you know I don't think

3200
02:19:26,090 --> 02:19:24,060
that they are necessarily changing their

3201
02:19:28,850 --> 02:19:26,100
craft because we've seen too many of

3202
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:28,860
them or anything like that I think again

3203
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:30,530
this whole idea the co-creation

3204
02:19:34,730 --> 02:19:33,210
hypothesis comes to mind and where I

3205
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:34,740
think Bishop is on the right track that

3206
02:19:40,700 --> 02:19:38,010
we evolved with the phenomenon whatever

3207
02:19:44,570 --> 02:19:40,710
we perceive whatever we think it might

3208
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:44,580
be its Amorphis and it shapes into not

3209
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:48,000
so once this idea gets running you know

3210
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:49,410
look at Kenneth Arnold in the flying

3211
02:19:54,171 --> 02:19:52,080
saucers everyone saw him after that once

3212
02:19:56,961 --> 02:19:54,181
this idea gets running of the orbs are

3213
02:19:59,690 --> 02:19:56,971
these these balls of energy or you know

3214
02:20:02,570 --> 02:19:59,700
the these sort of spherical objects come

3215
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:02,580
into play that's where it runs to that's

3216
02:20:07,610 --> 02:20:05,370
where it sees and feeds off of that so I

3217
02:20:12,530 --> 02:20:07,620
think culture is a big part of all this

3218
02:20:14,810 --> 02:20:12,540
and sociology and that we are helping to

3219
02:20:17,450 --> 02:20:14,820
create the phenomenon we're seeing I

3220
02:20:20,570 --> 02:20:17,460
really do believe that is an avenue to

3221
02:20:23,660 --> 02:20:20,580
go towards but if we if we really pay to

3222
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:23,670
play such a part in it then why are guys

3223
02:20:29,180 --> 02:20:25,920
like gene and myself not seeing anything

3224
02:20:32,030 --> 02:20:29,190
like I'd really like to see our UFO so

3225
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:32,040
how do i make myself play this part I

3226
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:35,040
I'm I'm very willing to play my part in

3227
02:20:40,041 --> 02:20:38,160
creating something you know my bed might

3228
02:20:42,470 --> 02:20:40,051
be a bit of co-creating but I can't get

3229
02:20:43,671 --> 02:20:42,480
it to happen yet that's funny god yeah

3230
02:20:45,140 --> 02:20:43,681
yeah I mean what is that saying

3231
02:20:47,150 --> 02:20:45,150
you know seeing is believing but

3232
02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:47,160
believing isn't always seeing something

3233
02:20:53,871 --> 02:20:50,490
like that you know I I do feel that a

3234
02:20:56,060 --> 02:20:53,881
lot of this is dropped into the laps of

3235
02:20:57,470 --> 02:20:56,070
the witness and the experiencer you know

3236
02:20:59,511 --> 02:20:57,480
they're not out there searching the

3237
02:21:02,690 --> 02:20:59,521
skies every night for these things they

3238
02:21:04,461 --> 02:21:02,700
just happen to see it maybe they sort of

3239
02:21:07,390 --> 02:21:04,471
glimpse that veil and were shown

3240
02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:07,400
something in just a brief moment of time

3241
02:21:12,770 --> 02:21:09,570
whereas those searching for it their

3242
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:12,780
entire lives may see nothing III don't

3243
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:13,290
know

3244
02:21:18,501 --> 02:21:17,070
don't personally believe it was

3245
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:18,511
extraterrestrial but it could have been

3246
02:21:23,450 --> 02:21:21,210
and it sent me on this path to look into

3247
02:21:26,270 --> 02:21:23,460
that possibility but I don't know I

3248
02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:26,280
don't know I mean you know a lot of

3249
02:21:28,450 --> 02:21:26,930
people ask

3250
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,460
you know would you want to be abducted

3251
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:30,800
her do you want to see something and I

3252
02:21:34,660 --> 02:21:32,810
said you will tell them I've seen

3253
02:21:37,059 --> 02:21:34,670
something and I don't ever want to see

3254
02:21:38,830 --> 02:21:37,069
something again so I guess it's that

3255
02:21:41,620 --> 02:21:38,840
whole idea of it being a gift and a

3256
02:21:43,479 --> 02:21:41,630
curse at times is it I mean if I was in

3257
02:21:46,809 --> 02:21:43,489
your shoes right I would probably be

3258
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:46,819
equally happy with if that that flat

3259
02:21:53,639 --> 02:21:50,960
flying triangle had been aliens or it

3260
02:21:56,679 --> 02:21:53,649
was humans who had super advanced

3261
02:21:59,530 --> 02:21:56,689
anti-gravity tech both of those kind of

3262
02:22:02,110 --> 02:21:59,540
answers explanations are equally

3263
02:22:04,689 --> 02:22:02,120
interesting that them for me it'd be

3264
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:04,699
just amazing to think Li you know

3265
02:22:08,170 --> 02:22:06,410
whether it's secret and whether it will

3266
02:22:10,510 --> 02:22:08,180
ever be made public just to think that

3267
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,520
humans have created anti-gravity

3268
02:22:16,330 --> 02:22:12,800
technology because to me is an it

3269
02:22:19,479 --> 02:22:16,340
follows that over coming heroes hundreds

3270
02:22:22,450 --> 02:22:19,489
coming over coming centuries that you

3271
02:22:25,269 --> 02:22:22,460
know humans will go out and expand into

3272
02:22:28,410 --> 02:22:25,279
the universe you know hopefully creating

3273
02:22:31,179 --> 02:22:28,420
a Star Trek or Star Wars type kind of

3274
02:22:33,700 --> 02:22:31,189
Federation or a universe where we meet

3275
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:33,710
other planets and we build out and out

3276
02:22:40,750 --> 02:22:37,520
and I think you know creating faster

3277
02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:40,760
than light travel or almost like free

3278
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:42,770
and free energy type stuff I think that

3279
02:22:48,189 --> 02:22:45,290
that's the first step really on getting

3280
02:22:50,559 --> 02:22:48,199
away from planet Earth for me even if

3281
02:22:54,610 --> 02:22:50,569
the aliens are not here but we are that

3282
02:22:57,689 --> 02:22:54,620
advanced albeit secretly I'd be very

3283
02:23:01,719 --> 02:22:57,699
happy to know either of those things I

3284
02:23:03,880 --> 02:23:01,729
agree I think you know that aspiration

3285
02:23:07,090 --> 02:23:03,890
of this advanced technology that people

3286
02:23:09,849 --> 02:23:07,100
are seeing you know it is a projection

3287
02:23:13,300 --> 02:23:09,859
of what we want what we strive to be and

3288
02:23:16,030 --> 02:23:13,310
is that this whole idea of the other of

3289
02:23:19,389 --> 02:23:16,040
the alien of this advanced civilization

3290
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:19,399
is it us projecting what we we want on

3291
02:23:25,179 --> 02:23:21,439
this planet or what we hope to be

3292
02:23:26,979 --> 02:23:25,189
someday and you know are we just putting

3293
02:23:29,500 --> 02:23:26,989
that mirror of the alien onto ourselves

3294
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:29,510
being look this is what we could be I

3295
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:31,520
find that very fascinating and like you

3296
02:23:38,380 --> 02:23:33,920
said exciting no matter if it is theirs

3297
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:38,390
or ours or both that that's that is very

3298
02:23:40,810 --> 02:23:40,399
interesting and invigorating to think

3299
02:23:42,970 --> 02:23:40,820
that we

3300
02:23:46,180 --> 02:23:42,980
could tap into free energy or

3301
02:23:47,501 --> 02:23:46,190
anti-gravity that that's awesome and if

3302
02:23:50,440 --> 02:23:47,511
that's what these crafts are displaying

3303
02:23:53,801 --> 02:23:50,450
then that's exciting in itself even if

3304
02:23:55,780 --> 02:23:53,811
it isn't ET or interdimensional or us

3305
02:23:58,751 --> 02:23:55,790
from the future maybe it's just a

3306
02:24:00,100 --> 02:23:58,761
projection of what we could do and again

3307
02:24:02,830 --> 02:24:00,110
that's just as exciting to me as

3308
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:02,840
anything else well this feels exciting

3309
02:24:07,690 --> 02:24:04,730
and we're gonna have one more segment

3310
02:24:10,261 --> 02:24:07,700
with Ryan Sprague to keep us going and

3311
02:24:18,110 --> 02:24:10,271
maybe predict something for the future

3312
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3415
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believe it I can't believe anything

3416
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:13,299
there is nothing to believe anyway now

3417
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:14,890
this has been really fascinating but

3418
02:29:19,559 --> 02:29:16,720
let's look at this the future so we have

3419
02:29:21,289 --> 02:29:19,569
sorta almost young whippersnappers like

3420
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ryan's break at least the guy in his 30s

3421
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some young people coming into the field

3422
02:29:30,389 --> 02:29:27,459
what do we do to get other people young

3423
02:29:35,369 --> 02:29:30,399
people to look at what's going on I

3424
02:29:37,289 --> 02:29:35,379
think that we have to really look at

3425
02:29:40,229 --> 02:29:37,299
what younger people are interested in

3426
02:29:43,170 --> 02:29:40,239
these days gene and you know that's the

3427
02:29:46,289 --> 02:29:43,180
internet that's media that's pop culture

3428
02:29:49,050 --> 02:29:46,299
that's Instagram it's all these these

3429
02:29:51,479 --> 02:29:49,060
things that really connect the world in

3430
02:29:53,489 --> 02:29:51,489
ways that we didn't have before all this

3431
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you know the days of UFO conferences

3432
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were the only place you could go to get

3433
02:30:00,659 --> 02:29:57,220
this information that's not the case

3434
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anymore you know we we can with the flip

3435
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of a switch or typing something in on a

3436
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search engine we can find endless

3437
02:30:10,289 --> 02:30:08,919
material on UFOs and I think that's what

3438
02:30:12,269 --> 02:30:10,299
the younger people are doing and that's

3439
02:30:14,489 --> 02:30:12,279
both good and bad you know they're gonna

3440
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get they're gonna get information from

3441
02:30:19,739 --> 02:30:17,589
less than then truthful individuals out

3442
02:30:22,229 --> 02:30:19,749
there touting certain theories on and

3443
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:22,239
and taking advantage of people's beliefs

3444
02:30:25,559 --> 02:30:23,770
but on the other hand you're gonna find

3445
02:30:28,380 --> 02:30:25,569
people who are really doing good work

3446
02:30:31,620 --> 02:30:28,390
out there and really getting

3447
02:30:33,630 --> 02:30:31,630
all it information to the public so I

3448
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:33,640
think what we really need to do is take

3449
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advantage of those outlets for the

3450
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younger generation you know whether it

3451
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be through things that to the Stars and

3452
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Tom DeLonge are doing you know well it's

3453
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a very controversial thing I welcome it

3454
02:30:51,240 --> 02:30:48,399
I embrace it I think it's getting a lot

3455
02:30:53,639 --> 02:30:51,250
of younger people interested in the UFO

3456
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:53,649
topic I have several colleagues who are

3457
02:30:58,679 --> 02:30:55,840
doing things like that as well you know

3458
02:31:01,320 --> 02:30:58,689
filmmakers like Jeremy Korbel who is

3459
02:31:04,050 --> 02:31:01,330
making documentaries left and right

3460
02:31:05,969 --> 02:31:04,060
about skinwalker ranch and bob lazar and

3461
02:31:09,179 --> 02:31:05,979
all these things that younger people

3462
02:31:13,530 --> 02:31:09,189
don't know about and putting it in a new

3463
02:31:15,389 --> 02:31:13,540
fresh lens and outlet and medium so if

3464
02:31:17,729 --> 02:31:15,399
we really want to get to the younger

3465
02:31:21,300 --> 02:31:17,739
people I think we have to find new ways

3466
02:31:23,790 --> 02:31:21,310
of showing them what this topic is all

3467
02:31:27,300 --> 02:31:23,800
about and then build off of that by I

3468
02:31:29,969 --> 02:31:27,310
come from that cusp of millennial so I

3469
02:31:32,670 --> 02:31:29,979
know about what was before the internet

3470
02:31:35,099 --> 02:31:32,680
but I also know how it can benefit us

3471
02:31:37,170 --> 02:31:35,109
all so I think they get younger people

3472
02:31:39,240 --> 02:31:37,180
involved we just have to show them that

3473
02:31:41,490 --> 02:31:39,250
younger people are involved and I think

3474
02:31:43,410 --> 02:31:41,500
that's the most important thing I I'm

3475
02:31:44,820 --> 02:31:43,420
gonna keep doing my part to get younger

3476
02:31:46,500 --> 02:31:44,830
people interested whenever I go to

3477
02:31:48,929 --> 02:31:46,510
conferences and see younger people out

3478
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:48,939
there I want to talk to them I want to

3479
02:31:52,170 --> 02:31:50,319
get their thoughts on what these things

3480
02:31:54,179 --> 02:31:52,180
are and what they think they could be

3481
02:31:56,490 --> 02:31:54,189
and see if they want to join me on this

3482
02:31:59,309 --> 02:31:56,500
journey that you may be I'm building a

3483
02:32:00,809 --> 02:31:59,319
small army that's not really something I

3484
02:32:02,340 --> 02:32:00,819
wanted you but if that's how it's gonna

3485
02:32:04,740 --> 02:32:02,350
go I'm all for that

3486
02:32:07,019 --> 02:32:04,750
I wonder if we could leverage something

3487
02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:07,029
like a Comicon to get some interest

3488
02:32:11,010 --> 02:32:08,770
going there of course that might require

3489
02:32:14,250 --> 02:32:11,020
a lot of money that's that's a really

3490
02:32:16,530 --> 02:32:14,260
good idea and I know individuals are

3491
02:32:19,559 --> 02:32:16,540
doing that you know I'm speaking at a

3492
02:32:21,630 --> 02:32:19,569
lien con here in California next week

3493
02:32:24,059 --> 02:32:21,640
where a lot of young people are in

3494
02:32:26,010 --> 02:32:24,069
attendance and the reason I think they

3495
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:26,020
wanted me there is because I am a young

3496
02:32:31,500 --> 02:32:29,050
fresh face in this field and I have

3497
02:32:34,979 --> 02:32:31,510
things to contribute to the topic so why

3498
02:32:37,170 --> 02:32:34,989
not why not get younger people attracted

3499
02:32:39,389 --> 02:32:37,180
to that idea that this this stuff is for

3500
02:32:40,331 --> 02:32:39,399
real you know this isn't the x-files

3501
02:32:42,551 --> 02:32:40,341
this is

3502
02:32:44,651 --> 02:32:42,561
in some fictional television show these

3503
02:32:47,201 --> 02:32:44,661
are individuals more serious about a

3504
02:32:48,911 --> 02:32:47,211
topic that could change humanity or you

3505
02:32:51,581 --> 02:32:48,921
love you know friends of mine who are

3506
02:32:53,621 --> 02:32:51,591
speaking in Denver Comic Con in a few

3507
02:32:55,961 --> 02:32:53,631
weeks as well who are going to be

3508
02:32:58,121 --> 02:32:55,971
talking on a panel about UFOs so right

3509
02:32:59,981 --> 02:32:58,131
there gene they are doing what you said

3510
02:33:01,781 --> 02:32:59,991
and getting it out to a new audience

3511
02:33:03,581 --> 02:33:01,791
that's never even thought about its

3512
02:33:05,531 --> 02:33:03,591
topic and that's kind of what I'm trying

3513
02:33:08,531 --> 02:33:05,541
to do with the the theatre world as well

3514
02:33:10,390 --> 02:33:08,541
is write plays about UFOs and get this

3515
02:33:12,941 --> 02:33:10,400
topic out to people who would he ever

3516
02:33:14,531 --> 02:33:12,951
think twice about it and are pretty

3517
02:33:16,211 --> 02:33:14,541
open-minded you know I would say the

3518
02:33:18,911 --> 02:33:16,221
theater crowd is more open-minded and

3519
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:18,921
liberal than most so why not try to

3520
02:33:23,741 --> 02:33:21,110
attack them with the UFOs I think it's

3521
02:33:25,691 --> 02:33:23,751
not been done that many times before and

3522
02:33:28,781 --> 02:33:25,701
I think it's only the beginning or

3523
02:33:31,301 --> 02:33:28,791
create a TV show and Greg Berlanti one

3524
02:33:33,191 --> 02:33:31,311
of the highest paid TV producers in the

3525
02:33:35,890 --> 02:33:33,201
business will produce it you just signed

3526
02:33:40,211 --> 02:33:35,900
a new six-year deal with DC with Warner

3527
02:33:42,341 --> 02:33:40,221
Brothers for 300 million whatever give

3528
02:33:45,281 --> 02:33:42,351
for even a portion of that if you were

3529
02:33:46,631 --> 02:33:45,291
able to get a decent UFO show and

3530
02:33:49,421 --> 02:33:46,641
they're gonna bring back what was it

3531
02:33:52,211 --> 02:33:49,431
Roswell or something one of those older

3532
02:33:53,741 --> 02:33:52,221
TV shows is gonna get a reboot yes I

3533
02:33:55,751 --> 02:33:53,751
believe you're right it is the Roswell

3534
02:33:58,421 --> 02:33:55,761
show all right well that might have some

3535
02:34:01,631 --> 02:33:58,431
hope because it's gonna be that kind of

3536
02:34:04,151 --> 02:34:01,641
CW style well in another big thing with

3537
02:34:06,611 --> 02:34:04,161
you know in terms of media jeana's i've

3538
02:34:08,861 --> 02:34:06,621
been tapped for endless amounts of these

3539
02:34:11,831 --> 02:34:08,871
UFO Road shows where you go out and

3540
02:34:14,951 --> 02:34:11,841
investigate cases and report back to

3541
02:34:18,011 --> 02:34:14,961
headquarters bill burns style but they

3542
02:34:20,680 --> 02:34:18,021
never pan out and I think these networks

3543
02:34:23,501 --> 02:34:20,690
they have this idea of this is cool this

3544
02:34:26,741 --> 02:34:23,511
is new this is fresh but it is it's been

3545
02:34:28,811 --> 02:34:26,751
done time and time again and when they

3546
02:34:31,541 --> 02:34:28,821
really sit down and look at can we

3547
02:34:33,821 --> 02:34:31,551
investigate current cases of UFOs it's

3548
02:34:35,921 --> 02:34:33,831
not easy we know with this phenomenon

3549
02:34:38,201 --> 02:34:35,931
once it's cited and reported it's

3550
02:34:39,821 --> 02:34:38,211
usually already gone so what's the

3551
02:34:43,241 --> 02:34:39,831
purpose of trying to go and investigate

3552
02:34:45,701 --> 02:34:43,251
when the thing already happened and we

3553
02:34:47,291 --> 02:34:45,711
can't monitor it you know they get cold

3554
02:34:51,941 --> 02:34:47,301
feet and that's when the shows never pan

3555
02:34:54,010 --> 02:34:51,951
out so TV is kind of a dying industry

3556
02:34:56,019 --> 02:34:54,020
and I think we need to really

3557
02:34:58,540 --> 02:34:56,029
look at new ways of looking at these

3558
02:35:01,179 --> 02:34:58,550
things you know a web television YouTube

3559
02:35:03,609 --> 02:35:01,189
streaming services can we create these

3560
02:35:06,189 --> 02:35:03,619
shows ourselves with younger people

3561
02:35:07,719 --> 02:35:06,199
involved and attract younger people and

3562
02:35:09,189 --> 02:35:07,729
get them involved I think that's a way

3563
02:35:12,309 --> 02:35:09,199
to go as well and if we're looking at

3564
02:35:14,439 --> 02:35:12,319
new media TVs dead let's look towards

3565
02:35:17,290 --> 02:35:14,449
the future well I'm looking here the

3566
02:35:20,139 --> 02:35:17,300
reboot of Roswell will be a teen

3567
02:35:21,609 --> 02:35:20,149
oriented show on the CW I don't know if

3568
02:35:27,370 --> 02:35:21,619
it's gonna be something that's going to

3569
02:35:29,620 --> 02:35:27,380
attract teens to UFOs but it'll one gene

3570
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:29,630
well the original one had a lot of

3571
02:35:34,689 --> 02:35:31,010
people who became kind of famous

3572
02:35:38,620 --> 02:35:34,699
afterwards for example Katherine Heigl

3573
02:35:41,290 --> 02:35:38,630
is on that show and : Hanks who's the

3574
02:35:44,260 --> 02:35:41,300
son of course Tom Hanks and William

3575
02:35:47,319 --> 02:35:44,270
Sadler was on there Adam Rodriguez

3576
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:47,329
you'll recognize from Criminal Minds

3577
02:35:52,300 --> 02:35:50,000
yeah you know that was when I never got

3578
02:35:54,819 --> 02:35:52,310
into gene but you know again just that

3579
02:35:57,790 --> 02:35:54,829
buzzword Roswell brings up so many

3580
02:35:59,109 --> 02:35:57,800
different ideas and hopefully the

3581
02:36:01,540 --> 02:35:59,119
younger people get that are gonna watch

3582
02:36:03,550 --> 02:36:01,550
this or gonna Google Roswell and see

3583
02:36:05,319 --> 02:36:03,560
what happened in 47 and again that's

3584
02:36:07,420 --> 02:36:05,329
that whole idea of truth and fiction is

3585
02:36:09,250 --> 02:36:07,430
this the way to go to get the message

3586
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,260
out about Roswell through a fictional

3587
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:11,600
show and we struggle with that every

3588
02:36:17,469 --> 02:36:14,170
time a TV show comes out about UFOs or

3589
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:17,479
aliens or what Tom DeLonge is doing in

3590
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:20,170
terms of writing fictional books about

3591
02:36:26,620 --> 02:36:22,810
apparently truthful events in ufology

3592
02:36:28,899 --> 02:36:26,630
it's a debate that will go down forever

3593
02:36:31,450 --> 02:36:28,909
and maybe we'll get small disclosures

3594
02:36:33,069 --> 02:36:31,460
within that but it's frustrating I don't

3595
02:36:34,779 --> 02:36:33,079
know what to make of all of that as well

3596
02:36:37,139 --> 02:36:34,789
you know what lies between the truth in

3597
02:36:40,120 --> 02:36:37,149
the fiction and will it help or hurt

3598
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:40,130
ufology by the way there's gonna be a TV

3599
02:36:44,889 --> 02:36:42,319
show called Blue Book on the History

3600
02:36:47,740 --> 02:36:44,899
Channel executive produced by Robert

3601
02:36:51,819 --> 02:36:47,750
Zemeckis among others and it's gonna be

3602
02:36:54,519 --> 02:36:51,829
about dr. J Allen Hynek yes I'm excited

3603
02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:54,529
about that and I know a biography just

3604
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:56,090
came out recently about J Allen Hynek

3605
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:58,640
that I can't recommend enough and that

3606
02:37:04,719 --> 02:37:01,760
there are some possible biopic and/or

3607
02:37:06,849 --> 02:37:04,729
one-man show plays that could be coming

3608
02:37:07,850 --> 02:37:06,859
in the future about mr. Hynek there you

3609
02:37:11,660 --> 02:37:07,860
go right there

3610
02:37:14,180 --> 02:37:11,670
into new avenues and bringing forth one

3611
02:37:16,370 --> 02:37:14,190
of the icons in ufology all right

3612
02:37:18,591 --> 02:37:16,380
quickly speaking here for those who want

3613
02:37:20,390 --> 02:37:18,601
to find more of what Ryan Sprague has

3614
02:37:22,881 --> 02:37:20,400
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3615
02:37:26,030 --> 02:37:22,891
all of my work Jean could be found right

3616
02:37:29,001 --> 02:37:26,040
at somewhere in the skies calm making it

3617
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simple you can find us on Twitter if you

3618
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:31,200
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3619
02:37:34,791 --> 02:37:33,570
Twitter not that often because they're

3620
02:37:37,070 --> 02:37:34,801
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3621
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I feel paranoid because I know

3622
02:37:41,890 --> 02:37:38,700
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3623
02:37:44,841 --> 02:37:41,900
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